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No.3396

What are your opinions on this show?
I dismissed this show as being a pile of garbage when I first heard of it but I managed to get through the first season and quite enjoyed it. I found some of the political ideas a bit cringy but that's probably because I'm getting a little tired of the whole critical commentary of capitalism thing. The 'tech talk' wasn't too bad but it seemed like they were trying really hard to show that they knew what they were talking about.

  No.3397

>>3396

technical concepts: 8/10
ideology: cyb as fuarrrk/10
implementation: annoying/10

Could not stand the narrator.

  No.3398

i enjoyed it

  No.3399

Best live action TV show of last year, by far.

  No.3400

>>3399
Wait, I forgot about Silicon valley. Second best.

  No.3401

As a network television show, I thought it was alright.

As an abstract entity, I think it's a capitalist defense mechanism.
If you have dangerous or potentially destructive ideologies, It's better to co-opt and domesticate them in order to make them easier to manage.

Examples:
>main character is a drug abusing schizo.(defame him)
>lol anarchy.
>I don't actually want to destroy e-corp, the people in my head do.(which equates upsetting the status quo with insanity.)
>f.society meets in person("rl is our encryption" how fuarrrking stupid can you be?)

The whole thing is effectively a violent video game for sociopaths, by that I mean it's an outlet for people that might do something the powers that be don't want, so they fictionalize it.

I would recommend it, but don't let your guard down.

  No.3402

I watch a lot of movies and after the pilot i knew where the show was heading. Im not gonna spoil the tv show cause i think there are some aspect of the show that are still good like i think the younger gen might actually go into Computer sci or they might become system administrators.
its not like the movie "hackers" where there’s fake programs like the da Vinci virus. They show actually Linux distros and show and write the scripts. But just like any TV show its an over hyped drama with really fast keyboard presses.

  No.3403

>>3401
>how fuarrrking stupid can you be?

Well, when he first meets them at f.society, the hacking crew Mr Robot is alluding to that got infiltrated is a blatant reference to Sabu and Lulzsec.

I would never discuss anything that could potentially incriminate me online. For instance, anyone on Lainchan, or 4chan that started a call to arms to hack something, get fuarrrked. I'd ignore the thread and move on. I trust you lot less than I trust people IRL. I don't know any of you. What if all this is a honey pot? You have no idea who is on the other end, intercepting, or listening. Anyone that joins a hacker collective that never meets in person is an idiot and leaving themselves open to being flipped, just like Sabu, while everyone else remains completely oblivious to his being flipped. Anyone can be monitoring. Just like the FBI were. Recording logs. Just like the FBI were. And they didn't know soykaf about it.

At least in person you can see if someone is wearing a wire. You can sweep for bugs. Et cetera.

  No.3404

Only watched it for the more technological aspects. Was kinda boring when it wasn't focusing on that.

  No.3405

I'm gonna break form a little and say it was crap.

The first episode was good. I could look past the more stupid tech stuff and the bland characterisation because it had a great sense of mystery. The questions of who and what Mr Robot and f.society were drove the show but then by just the second or third episode they turned out to be the most generic boring answers imaginable. Even the final twist seemed a little trite and by that point I was thoroughly bored with the show anyway. Everything seemed so clear cut and generic. Good guy hackers, bad guy corp, no nuance. I mean, regardless of their thin justification for it, the corporation is called evil corp ffs. I cringed every time I heard that.

Also the drug dealer side plot just seemed like a way to fill up episodes that didn't connect strongly with the main plot. It wouldn't have been too difficult to intertwine the two more and show Elliott struggling to manage both and having to choose between them but this didn't really happen. It started to look like it would but then he just handled both no problems. On the other side we have the whiterose sub plot which connected well with the main plot but was never at all explained. Whiterose acts like an idiot and very nearly fuarrrks everything up, offering nothing more than condescending bull soykaf ("You weren't ready") as excuses.

>>3403
That doesn't make constant IRL meetings good OPSEC. I can totally ignore it for the sake of the show. It worked in context because they provided some justification for it. It doesn't bear close examination but that's ok it's just a TV show and it was kinda cool. Also showing an irc chat for the main characters just isn't as good to watch. You don't get the same sense of character.

Don't be fooled though. It's not good OPSEC, it's not particularly bad OPSEC either but it won't protect you. People IRL have no less chance of being feds than people online, they were doing this stuff long before the internet came along. Hell, the feds will have an easier time of it not having to worry about travel expenses or other commitments and also they now definitely know your face and physical location. Whatever you're doing and however you meet trust no one. A false sense of security can be very dangerous and the idea that if you can talk to someone in person you'll magically be able to tell if they're a fed is a false sense of security. Sure, it's easier to tell IRL than online but it's difficult enough, and feds are more than good enough liars, that you cannot at all rely on it anyway. Trust no one, take precautions.

  No.3406

The show was alright in the beginning as a piece of mainstream television, I think. I watched all of it, though the ending really turned me off and was just too cliche for my tastes. Possibly just a lot of what >>3401 said. Though I didn't really think about it too much at the time.


>>3403

The reason Sabu was even able to turn those people in was because of mistakes on their parts. Sabu fuarrrked up because he had a domain lapse and it displayed his personal info for like a brief period, but the feds were able to get it anyway. Then Sabu was able to get people to admit to using other aliases and to say identifying info (weather patterns, arrest records, protests attended, etc.)

A hacking collective that exists only online is far superior than people hiding out in a clubhouse. Don't get me wrong, if you want to trust people of course you need to meet them in person, but you never need to trust other hacktivists working towards the same goal. But for fuarrrk's sake don't talk about yourself or any of your personal habits.

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>>3405
>That doesn't make constant IRL meetings good OPSEC. I can totally ignore it for the sake of the show.

Then you're a know nothing know it all moron. Just because it was on a TV show, you ignore good advice?

>It worked in context because they provided some justification for it. It doesn't bear close examination but that's ok it's just a TV show and it was kinda cool. Also showing an irc chat for the main characters just isn't as good to watch. You don't get the same sense of character.


It works for the same reason "let's meet in person" and "I think this phone is tapped" works.

You have NO idea who is on the other end of this conversation, regardless of how much you think you do.

>>3406
>The reason Sabu was even able to turn those people in was because of mistakes on their parts

The main reason Sabu turned on those people was because he got flipped in the first place and not one single person involved in Lulzsec, who thought they were badasses and such great friends and know nothing know it alls, had a fuarrrking clue he'd been flipped.

>but you never need to trust other hacktivists working towards the same goal.

Do you want to go to prison? Because that's how you go to prison.

>But for fuarrrk's sake don't talk about yourself or any of your personal habits.

What does that matter when all it takes to tie you to a crime and charge you is for you to be IN the same chat room as those engaged in criminal actitivy. It's called accesory after the fact.

You lot have a naive and ignorant view of hacking groups. Just about every hacker that's done time has done so because another hacker flipped or they've been tapped or monitored. Sabu, Lulzsec. Adrian Lamo, Chelsea Manning. You can bet your ass with what Manning leaked, Lamo panicked about the kind of time he'd be subject to as an accesory after the fact and snitched. Masters Of Destruction all got pegged due to phone taps. Julian Assange was caught by phone tapping. Mafiaboy couldn't keep his mouth shut in IRC which got him noticed by the FBI. Globalhell congregated in an IRC chat room. Phoenix, Electron and the realm fell because of wire tapping. Raphael Gray was snitched on by another hacker who "didn't like his arrogance". Dennis Moran, snitched on to the media due to showing off in IRC. The 414s were caught after wiretapping.

  No.3408

>>3406
> but you never need to trust other hacktivists working towards the same goal.

How do you know they're working towards the same goal and not moles? Plants? Feds? Snitches? You don't. At all.

  No.3409

I wanted to like it, it was at least making a genuine attempt at a realistically portrayal of the hacker culture and ethos, but between how the show couldn't resolve plotlines to save its life and the fact that the unreliable narrator was so predictable he might as well have not been an unreliable narrator, I kinda thought it sucked.

The mid-season heist episode and the finale were seriously weak points for the series when they should have carried it, and the trope of girlfriend murder was hamfistedly implemented, almost as badly done as the main "twist". Most of the characters were unlikeable and/or one-dimensional. Given that Elliot's supposed to be our sole window into the story that makes sense, but it makes for bad storytelling. Slater's character's speech in the final or penultimate episode (don't remember which) was what really soured me on the whole show, it felt painfully awkward and out-of-place.

  No.3410

>>3407
That's the reason you don't trust anyone.

OPSEC in this scenario is "don't reveal infos that could tie that nick with your AFK identity".

Actually, reading your post, I just get that you shouldn't trust anyone, neither in person nor online, so what are you criticizing exactly?

  No.3411

>>3410
>OPSEC in this scenario is "don't reveal infos that could tie that nick with your AFK identity".

Again, that doesn't do soykaf when you're in chatrooms online with people you don't know who are engaged in criminal activity. ACCESSORY. AFTER. THE. FACT. You don't have to say a word. Just the fact that you are there and are aware that criminal activity is taking place is enough for a case against you. That's why Lamo went rushing to the feds when Manning spilled about his leak.

The criticism is this naive belief that you are somehow anonymous and safe on the internet. You're not. No matter how much you think you are. You will be found eventually. Whether you fuarrrk up. Or you're snitched on. Or your anonymising network is cracked just like TOR was.

  No.3412

>>3407
>Just because it was on a TV show, you ignore good advice?
That's not what that means. I was saying I can ignore the fact that it's bad advice (and RL=auto safe is bad advice) when evaluating the merits of the show because it's easy to suspend disbelief.

>It works for the same reason "let's meet in person" and "I think this phone is tapped" works.

Again, you're getting the wrong idea. When I say it works I mean it works in terms of making a good tv show. "Let's meet IRL" doesn't actually provide any security that the guy you're talking to isn't a fed. Feds can meet IRL too.

In general most of the things you point to don't get any better when you meet IRL. People can still flip, they can still hide it from you and you can still be watched or similar.

>>3411
>The criticism is this naive belief that you are somehow anonymous and safe on the internet.
I actually think we're mostly on the same page here. You're right. You're not safe on the internet but you're not safe IRL either. Neither actually protects you, I mean if you're sat in an actual room listening to a conversation you're still an accessory after the fact.

We could argue the merits of either back and forth, they are certainly different with different risks but we're already off topic and I think we mostly agree that neither is a silver bullet that will automatically keep you safe.

  No.3698

>>3396
I enjoyed it more than I expected TBH.

  No.3703

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I really really enjoyed it, actually. I'm a big fight club fan, so fight club+tech, I really dig. I probably relate a bit too much to Elliot. The only thing I disliked was their portrayal of Anonymous.

  No.3704

>>3401

>main character is a drug abusing schizo.(defame him)


idk man. A lot of us nerds really are drug abusing crazies.

  No.3705

I thought the first 3-4 eps where very good. Then it went downhill and I just stopped watching. Maybe I'll try to re-watch it all again this week.

  No.3706

First episode was 9/10, never really became as good as that after

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I really couldn't get into it. It felt too fake, too made up. Might just be me though.

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>>3396
Cinematically speaking the show is interesting. Some of the music and visuals are nice.

Unfortunately the story is a bit dry and the characters are very two dimensional. It feels like fight club meets war games, meets that spy show my gf used to watch(I think it was called leverage)

I give the story 5/10 and the visuals an 8.5/10

Average those and you get something like a 6.75/10

  No.3983

>>3401
>As an abstract entity, I think it's a capitalist defense mechanism.
>If you have dangerous or potentially destructive ideologies, It's better to co-opt and domesticate them in order to make them easier to manage.
Bingo. I haven't watched it yet myself, it seems like it could be entertaining, but you are absolutely right that there is nothing radical about a network television show whose protagonist is superficially and vaguely anarchist.

  No.3989

>>3396
First ep was good
Second ep "Oh... I hope this isn't just the Fight Club ruse again"
Last ep "……………can't believe it was just the Fight Club ruse again… and referencing it musically doesn't make doing exactly the same thing clever"

Felt like a waste of time and the show thought it was way more clever than it actually was.

  No.4005

>>3706
completely this. first episode was awesome - it was a trial run they didnt even have the rest of the season filmed yet. It was awesome everything thereafter typical tv emotional porn

  No.4261

First few episodes are really good, still really good but not as good.Can't wait for season 2 though. Even if it isn't perfect the show deals with themes that we are all passionate about here or at least have a big interest.

  No.4286

>>4005
>completely this. first episode was awesome - it was a trial run they didnt even have the rest of the season filmed yet
Not sure if you know this, but almost every single TV show works like that. The first episode is usually called the pilot episode, and it is showed to the people who have money before anything else is made. If you know this, you can notice how pilots usually have a kind of specific structure. There are a lot of pilot episodes of shows that never get made, and a few of them can be found online, and some TV shows never actually air the original pilot, either, they just see that they like the concept and re-make it to be a part of a larger thing. You might be interested in googling "unaired pilots".

Also, while I think that the first episode is easily superior to the rest of them, I would say that they handled the material very well. I am kind of anxious about where they will go with the inner mental battles, since I really, really don't want them to be solved very fast or it'll become a false drama thing.

Regarding the twists, I think the only one meant to surprise us was the sister one, where as the Mr. Robot one was supposed to be known at the point at which it was revealed ("But you already knew that" line), so it shouldn't be judged by how surprising it was. Either way, I am looking forward to the next season, to see how everything turns out, since I enjoy the characters a lot.

  No.4918

>>3409
I share your opinion and from the majority here.

comparing the show to others in the mainstream, it's a good show. but it got too emotional for my tastes.

I thought it would be the best show of last season but then I watched The Expanse and really enjoyed it(less drama).

  No.5005

As many others are saying the first episodes were really good. But after that it all went down the toilet with a "meh" plot and unlikable characters. I wanted a lone hacker, fighting, or just having fun catching these "bad" guys. And maybe stumble upon some weird code in the network, conspiracy final plot thing.