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This thread is for listing things governments or powers have been dishonest about.

Whether it be covert ops, a planed coup or abuse of power, mistreatment of it citizens or failure to provide for them.

Not massive posts, just an outline of the sin and by who it was executed, and against who/what.
Please give links to information backing the issue.


Nice links... thanks for a good kick off!
Can I please request for all future posts in this thread you/others just give a very small summery/outline of the issues so Lains can get an over view of abuses listed.

Many thanks in advance...



COunter INTELligence PROgram... was a series of covert, and at times illegal, projects conducted by the United States Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) aimed at surveilling, infiltrating, discrediting and disrupting domestic political organizations including; anti-Vietnam War organizers, activists of the Civil Rights Movement or Black Power movement (e.g., Martin Luther King, Jr. and the Black Panther Party), feminist organizations, anti-colonial movements (such as Puerto Rican independence groups like the Young Lords), and a variety of organizations that were part of the broader New Left.



Gulf of Tonkin incident

Also known as the USS Maddox incident, involved what were originally claimed to be two separate confrontations involving North Vietnam and the United States in the waters of the Gulf of Tonkin. The original American report blamed North Vietnam for both incidents, but eventually became very controversial with widespread claims that either one or both incidents were false, and possibly purposefully so.



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in Turkey, three academics who signed a peace petition in January 2016 have been jailed by an Istanbul court on suspicion of “making terrorist propaganda.”

“President Erdogan’s vicious campaign against the academics is part of his drive to banish, punish, and silence all critical voices in Turkey,” said Emma Sinclair-Webb, senior Turkey researcher at Human Rights Watch.




The US was involved with a coup on the democratically elected government, resulting in a massacre-ing dictator taking power and killing thousands.



FBI takes over a child porn site and turns it into a honeypot. I like that the FBI caught a lot of these nasty fucks, but I'm really bothered by the fact that they basically became the monsters they were fighting to do so.


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Iran–Contra affair

Senior administration (US) officials secretly facilitated the sale of arms to Iran, which was the subject of an arms embargo.[3] They hoped thereby to secure the release of several U.S. hostages and to fund the Contras in Nicaragua. Under the Boland Amendment, further funding of the Contras by the government had been prohibited by Congress.



Your pic disgusts me.


that's kinda the point


Governments have been dishonest about the direction of the economy, with regards to working class people. The governments of the world haven't telegraphed the message:

"in a few years the only jobs will be tech jobs. Go stem now or perish"

To the people, which is the truth. Instead they say:
"You poor impoverished workers, someday you may or may not be compensated better for your labor, we swear."

The Western world doesn't need any more factory workers, or retail workers. All the unskilled labor jobs will someday cease to be. The immigrants wont take the jobs, the computers will - and for good.

Why doesn't the Western world better prepare it's people for the inevitability of this?


For one people in the West don't want to be told what to do, muh freedom. Plus with limited laws that directly control the average person's actions what can actually be done about it?

Do you honestly think that the majority of people are even capable of doing stems competently, I see little evidence of that.


I think we'll be seeing a major shift in the next few decades away from our current model. Maybe a "new industrial revolution" is a stretch, but when CEOs, programmers, and supervisors are the only ones left with jobs, something huge has got to change.


Your lack of fortitude disgusts me.
Be disgusted!


Of the 100k registered users they 'caught' 1300. But of those only 137 have been charged. That doesn't sound like "a lot".
Seems like the FBI making an excuse to abuse children millions of times by their own definition of child abuse.


I think there are two ways things could go... Ideally, as it seems to make the most sense, would be a basic universal income sort of system. There simply aren't enough jobs for everyone to be employed, yet countries have booming economies that keep on getting bigger and bigger and profits soar... Citizens of a nation should have a share of that. Then people will be free to do as they will and potentially we could see massive innovation and breakthroughs as the general population is freed from the stress of a daily struggle just to get by.

The second way I see things going, and unfortunately the more likely the way things have been going, is a permanent world wide hereditary ruling class/aristocracy/oligarchy and the rest of us peasants can just fuck off and die.


To add to the universal basic income idea, at least in America we need to rid ourselves of the outdated puritan idea that everyone must work, even if it is pointless make work in order to earn any sort of living.

It is an insane and idiotic notion. The sort of thing you'd see in soviet style communism, purposefully retarding efficiency in the name of employment.

Would it not be better to increase efficiency at the cost of employment, and make up for it with a UBI? Same as education these days, come to think of it. So many resources spent on "self esteem" and trying to bring up the lowest rather than focusing on the brightest in order to push them farther, they are, best case, left to fend for themselves, but more realistically dragged drown by the oppressive system of "fairness" and "equality" or whatever.

Anyway, Nations have massive resources, natural resources and the like, and yet the government essentially gives them away so that massive profits can be privatized. But if these natural resources belong to, collectively, the people of a nation, then it is only right and just that the people share in such profit.

Granted the elites hate such ideas, as it cuts into their oversized and ill gotten share.



Chemtrails were a real thing at least once.