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How do you americans feel when non americans talk about american politics?

Now, I understand why you would not want outsiders to interfere with american politics.

But let me explain why we do it so often. Basically the USA has by far the strongest power projection in the world ATM. By far because NATO and total sea dominance and non-NATO allies. That means the USA can enforce its foreign policy quite effectively, and therefore stuff like american elections affects even non-americans.

So, do you think it is OK for non-americans to have an opinion on USA politics?


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personally i dont mind at all. talking about is not interfering in as far as that goes. i think having an outsider's perspective is benificial if anything.

personally i like watching UK politics, especially parlament. far more entertaining for some reason.


Since almost every other country is functionally a colony of the American Empire, they should be happy we are only talking and not demanding our right to vote.


At first I thought it was kind of odd, but then I realized *why* everyone talks about our elections. Now it just freaks me out.


It's not just American politics. When there are elections and major events in other significant countries, people pay attention. Or they should anyway.


Of course it's okay. If there's any one election to pay attention to worldwide, it's this one. I like to see comments from non-Americans both for the perspective and because they're generally pretty well-informed. It is kind of upsetting that everyone sees the awful candidates we've ended up with, but hey, we survived Bush.


I don't expect to see Americans on Lainchan telling anyone to butt out, this site thrives on opinion and debate after all. I just wish some more of your citizens would understand that it does matter what the rest of the world thinks of whoever becomes your president. You have trading partners and military allies and if they cannot get along with whoever you put in charge then that closes doors. ...and either of the yahoos in the race this year are going to close a lot of doors.


I've never seen someone tell a non-American that the election doesn't matter. What I have seen, though, is people acting like there's some hidden element to the country that a European or whosoever couldn't understand, and shutting down discussion that way. It's true that they might never get accustomed to the patriotism, but past that there's nothing impossible to glean on your own using the internet.

I'd say that the real source of chaos in this election is social media, anyhow, and we all receive equally on that end.


Anytime i speak to anyone that's not from America the first thing that they always have to talk about is America,

Sometimes it's about politics, sometimes it's about the media, sometimes it's about ideology etc.

Whatever it is they end up discussing, though, it always seems like this pointless regurgitation of preconceived notions about America, Good or bad.

I kind of blame our media because it seems like this is where people pick it up from, but honestly 9 times out of 10 I would rather you just shut the fuck up about my country. Lets talk about something else until I get to know you better.

I don't think anyone needs to be qualified in any way to have an opinion about America, but it goes against common sense and common decency to just start blabbering on about things you've heard and why america is so 'bad'.


>What I have seen, though, is people acting like there's some hidden element to the country that a European or whosoever couldn't understand, and shutting down discussion that way.
Doesn't that only happen after just some plain non-constructive negative criticism ? A bit like what >>2274 describes ?

I mean, when I think about it, most French hate the government, aren't really patriotic, etc. They're very critic. But whenever a stranger starts to criticize France or even its government, it's the entire opposite: fierce patriotism, the arrogance they're known for, etc. Even among the more leftists.
Wouldn't it be the same in the case of those Americans you describe ?


Yes, it is often said in response to things like mindless criticism (pledge of allegiance/guns/etc.), but I've seen plenty of legitimate discussions ended due to people insisting that America is too unique for its problems to be solved or understood by non-Americans. Unless someone's specifically trying to get a rise out of someone, I think we're all fairly accepting of criticism of our government.


no, most americans are very patriotic. Criticism of the government is fine, but criticism of America as a thing is absolutely taboo.


Speaking to some Americans these "preconceived notions" about why the USA is bad in some ways are no longer 'preconceived' in the sense that they explain their own experiences that confirm how bad things can be. As a result, in meeting other Americans it becomes very difficult not to probe what they think of these terrible things and whether or not they support them. You may not like this but it's simply a burden you are forced to bear for living in "the greatest cuntry on earth".
Of course there are going to be people with these preconceived notions that might interrogate an American as if they are representative of the whole population or government too.


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No matter where you're from it's probably a good thing for your country that foreign nationals take an interest in your national politics. A lack of interest would mean that your country is irrelevant.

Naturally, the more relevant a country is internationally, the more foreign nationals are going to pay attention to the political situation.

Questioning foreign nationals about domestic politics is a very good way to build foreign policy that's favorable to a foreign population, as opposed to building foreign policy favorable to another country's ruling class. This builds your country's influence among citizens. Building foreign policy that caters to the whims of ruling classes of other countries only increases their power while diminishing yours.


>Anytime i speak to anyone that's not from [my country] the first thing that they always have to talk about is [my country]
>Whatever it is they end up discussing, though, it always seems like this pointless regurgitation of preconceived notions about [my country], Good or bad

That's the same for everyone, except if you come from a backwater that hardly anyone knows anything about. In that case, the topic will be "What does your country do?". The difference is that the big players, especially America, Russia and China, will probably come up in conversation, even when neither participant is from one of those countries.


>So, do you think it is OK for non-americans to have an opinion on USA politics?
Of course it's okay to have an opinion, but I don't really like it when foreigners try to get Americans to vote a certain way because it will benefit them.
(Example) Japanese might want Clinton because it would help Japan be protected by America, but it might be in the Americans' interest to have weaker ties


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who imitates who?


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>How do you americans feel when non americans talk about american politics?
How exactly can I put this without violating a rule...?

Let's say you lived in a large mansion with an outdoor swimming pool. Your wife comes to you and complains "Why won't you let my friends use the swimming pool when I have parties?" You then get into this long fight over the fact that last time she was allowed to use the pool, one of her friends took a shit in it. To add insult to injury, she fucked some other guy at that party, and then paid for his ride home from your shared account. While the two of you are fighting, your pet miniature doberman comes by and starts barking at you, begging for treats. You give the doberman a treat, and kick him aside so that you can finish the fight without distraction.
>How do you americans feel when non americans talk about american politics?
See, '''you''' are the dog in that story.


It's more like, the neighbour whose garden you (= the husband in this situation) shat in during one of these parties also thinks he should have some say about the extent of these events.


You misunderstand. The wife and the husband are the two political parties.


Or more to the point of your misunderstanding, we don't think of you (almost all other countries) as neighbors. You're more like the wildlife that inhabits our suburb.


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>wildlife that inhabits our suburb

Smarter and better adapted to human changes in the environment than wildlife you'll find anywhere else. It may eventually outlive us.


When foreigners discuss politics in America? It depends on the country to me and of course the individual. The only ones I have talked to who consistently seem to understand it are the Poles and perhaps the Swiss for some reason, and maybe Russians(the one I know has a humble outlook).

Most of the other foreigners I have listened to online... they are like teenagers "talking out of their asses" as we like to say in America, especially the leftists and especially Western Europeans. Often they barely know anything about American politics, but they profess to know everything and keep projecting their own nation's issues unto us. They just latch on to whatever seems popular or politically correct enough.

It's very frustrating and one of the reasons why I stopped discussing politics at all for months. To talk to someone who thinks they know everything about a topic they are ignorant about is a profoundly irritating experience. Oh and then our own teenagers talk to these Europeans on the internet and think "Europeans are so smart and sophisticated right? I'm going to believe whatever they say since they're a more advanced society than us."

That being said though, I have talked to foreigners who keep more up to date on American politics than many fellow US citizens. If you are foreign to the United States, but really do your research, then very well. I'll listen. Just know when to admit ignorance, and please do not think reading about something is the same as living through it.


That's the most American allegory anyone could possibly come up with