>>2271>What I have seen, though, is people acting like there's some hidden element to the country that a European or whosoever couldn't understand, and shutting down discussion that way.
Doesn't that only happen after just some plain non-constructive negative criticism ? A bit like what >>2274
I mean, when I think about it, most French hate the government, aren't really patriotic, etc. They're very critic. But whenever a stranger starts to criticize France or even its government, it's the entire opposite: fierce patriotism, the arrogance they're known for, etc. Even among the more leftists.
Wouldn't it be the same in the case of those Americans you describe ?