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No.3173

Hey lainchan,

There's been a few homeless threads here over the years and the last one met an early death just before the board shuffle. As I became homeless again recently I thought I'd post everything I know. Since 2012 I've been homeless for about three years in total. One of those working and saving tons of cash, about a year and a half travelling and spending that cash and then the rest with no money whatsoever. My travels were a mix of living it up overseas, and hitchhiking and scumming it up here in Australia. So for context all of my experience actually being a homeless vagrant relates to Australia, whether travelling the country or staying in the same spot for a while. While most of my experience should generally apply well to other similar countries, the biggest difference would be climate. Our winters are quite mild. The lowest temperatures I've had to deal with would probably be about -5 in the early morning, but only rarely.

Over time my bag has become quite heavy, but there are two things that I've found to be absolutely necessary:a halfway decent sleeping bag and a tarp. If you actually want to sleep, don't get cheap on the sleeping bag. The tarp is mostly to stay dry when it's raining but you can also use it for a little more warmth if you need it. The other use for your tarp is covering your stuff if you're going to be staying in one place for a while. If you actually want to be somewhat comfortable there you don't want to be carrying everything with you, especially as your sleeping bag and tarp take up the most space. So find a good place to sleep and stash your soykaf. Preferrably get a tarp that blends in well. My stash went undisturbed for a year and a half while I was renting with my friends... except for spiders and cockroaches and a mouse burrow? Wouldn't be the first time mice have decided to live under my stuff. Little fuarrrker ate a hole in my bag. Put a stop to that soykaf real quick.

The usual questions whether on the boards or people picking me up on the road are:
>Where do you sleep?
>How do you get food?
>Where/Do you shower?
>Clean your clothes?
>What do you do everyday?
>What do you have?

  No.3174

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>Shed my skin; leave it for the homeless to sleep in
The usual image that comes to mind of some sleeping homeless glitterboy is that guy in rags on the street in the city. I don't know about you, but I don't go to the asylum to ask for financial advice, I'm certainly not going to ask them about doing it wrong. The best places to sleep are always going to be out of the way where nobody goes. Unfortunately this usually means being as far away from the most useful parts of society where you can get food, find something to do or whatever else. I'm not going to tell you to go innawoods, though that'd certainly be one of the best places. Next best is the industrial areas. Reason being is the only time any people are there is during the day. After their 9-5 is up that soykaf is a fuarrrking ghost town. The only other people that might show up are vandals to spray soykaf and thieves that are interested in a lot more than some homeless cunt's soykaf is worth.

So you're in an industrial area. What do? Look for any roofs that you can easily access. People don't look up. Just make sure you don't sleep in. If not that, unused vegetated land is also good. You still need to look for any signs of people passing through though. Any footprints or well-trodden tracks, rubbish left about, graffiti, etc. Certainly keep it out of clear view. That said, none of this is absolute. While traveling I've slept in many different places. If you're going to be transient about it, you won't need to be so cautious.

Throughout my travels I also found some abandoned houses and warehouses to sleep in, but I haven't found them to be as reliable. I wish I could tell you about squatting, but I've never known any. The few people I've asked were noided as fuarrrk and didn't trust me. My assumption is I'm just too damn good at being homeless and they thought I was some normal person fuarrrk.

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So why the fuarrrk should you trust me on any of this? tl;dr: I'm fuarrrking good at it. Over the years I've been woken up three times, and every time is for sure my own fault. Once at my stash, twice while traveling. The first time I was still kind of green. I'd been sleeping on the roof, but winter came around and I didn't want to be slipping and sliding all over the place while climbing up there. So I moved to the back of some industrial buildings close by. I thought it was far enough out of the way but I was right in the path of some local rangers that would check for any graffiti once a month. I woke up long before they got anywhere close from the stereotypical twig snapping. The only way to get back there was over the fence. Not a second after they jumped it I was standing up and sketched the fuarrrk out. We weren't sure who was scared more at that point. They weren't really bothered by me being there though. I still moved my stuff further out (to where I stashed it for so long).

Second and third time was while I was traveling. Both just me being sloppy because I was tired as fuarrrk (which you tend to get when carrying around 20kg of soykaf on your back everywhere). Second was just a place to sleep for one night. It wasn't far from the city, next to some stadium in some bushes. I could see the dirt had been trodden on, I saw the trash, the plants weren't growing on it. I still rolled my soykaf out there even though I could have moved only a few metres further but I was tired and lazy and didn't want to struggle through the bushes. At about two in the morning I was woken up by a security guard asking me to move along. He was an amiable guy. Being the curious guy I am, after I packed my soykaf up, I asked him how he found me. Security guards aren't that thorough unless they have a reason to be. He said he didn't. It was a couple of kids that found me. They were out late on a weekend fuarrrking around or whatever. I didn't even notice them. The guard said he was relieved because they told him I was a dead body. I was pretty fuarrrkin' tired.

The other I was in one of the few houses I've slept in. That was most annoying because I was woken up by the cops. Luckily I wasn't charged but holy soykaf are they fuarrrking pricks about absolutely everything. Again, my fault. I'd started renting my first vps and was totally enthralled by it. If I wasn't eating or sleeping (I wasn't really sleeping) I was fuarrrking around configuring all kinds of soykaf on that server. I'd be at the library from 9-5, then an internet cafe til ~1am, then jacking in at some cafe down by the beach until just before opening hours. I could go at it 24/7 in fuarrrking Townsville of all places if I didn't need anything else. But I did. So at about 5am I went back to sleep in this house I found up in the hills in amongst a bunch of rich cunts. It was hot and humid as fuarrrk so I left the windows open. Turns out rich cunts are cunts. Who knew? And this is Queensland so they've already got +1 to their cunt stat. So my neighbour saw me sleeping through the window and called the cops on me. For reals. fuarrrk Queensland.

  No.3176

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>Rich homes with money and food abandoned for the bums on the street
When I was working I was just buying food as I went. It was easy and convenient for sure, but buying food everyday is expensive and a massive waste. Mostly I was hesitant and avoiding going to the dumpster to get food and eat that soykaf up. If you don't have money at all, you better get used to it quick. There's also raiding tables at restaurants for scraps, but it really is easier to just get it out of the dumpster. Another option is soup kitchens/homeless shelters, but I've always felt they're for those that can't do without them. If you can hunt and cook go for that too, but I haven't tried it.

There really is no magic to dumpster diving, just a few things you learn over time like the feel of a bag with baked goods in it. I've found bakeries to be the best places to get food by far. They can't keep anything so whatever they have at the end of the day gets thrown out. And they throw out a lot. In fact I didn't realise for the longest time that the bakery I dive donates their leftovers to charity... even after the charity has taken whatever they want there is plenty. The best thing about the bakeries though is that the majority of their rubbish is their baked goods. You don't usually need to wade through other irrelevant trash. Unlike the next best being supermarkets. Supermarkets throw out an amazing amount of food. More than the bakeries by far, and with much better variety. Only problem is they're unreliable. Sometimes you'll get whateverthefuck you want right on top. Other times you'll have nothing, or whatever is there is covered up by so much irrelevant crap. On par with the supermarkets are green grocers/fruit and veg shops. Like the bakeries, most trash is the produce you're looking for. Only problem is I have nowhere to cook any of it.

Other issue with dumpster diving is not looking like the dodgiest cunt ever and getting kicked out. I usually go late at night or early in the morning to avoid the possibility of being found, but even if you go throughout the day it's usually not a problem. The few times I've seen staff or security guards I've had no problems. A few have tried to get rid of me because they were uncomfortable with me being there, not because they had to. Even then I still got what I came for. One time a staff member sincerely believed it was theft... There have been court cases to say otherwise, but I never thought I'd hear that level of derp myself. If you have particularly soykafty dumpsters in your area that are always locked, going during the day is probably your best bet unless you want to pick/break the locks or just pull the lids off.

  No.3177

>Comin' out of nowhere, drivin' like rain, stormbringer dance on the thunder again
There are so many places to shower and get clean and I've used all of them over the years apart from one. Most truck stops will have showers for the truckers but you can usually use them no questions asked. The only stops I saw charge for showers were out on the Nullarbor where water is just a little bit harder to come by. Another great place for showers are universities and colleges. Just do a search for "<UNIVERSITY HERE> showers". They'll either give you a map or a building and room number you can reference on their campus map. I've walked in plenty of times with my massive bag while traveling around and never been stopped or looked at twice. Some cities will provide showers to encourage people to bike into the city so they can ride in and shower before work. It's worth a look if you're close to the city. If you're close to the beach you can either just jump in the ocean if you want that washed out salt water hair, or you can use the showers that are usually provided. On that note, rivers, streams, creeks, whateverthefuck are always good if a bit cold. Hostels are pretty easy to sneak into. The showers are usually easily accessible and there are so many people going through the place the front staff aren't going to notice one more. If you really need to you can try to sneak into the public swimming pools and use their showers. Security is usually pretty lax at the ones I've been to.

... apart from one. Every single time this question has come up there's always one suggestion that tilts the absolute soykaf out of me. GYM. fuarrrkING. MEMBERSHIPS. Unless you're going to use their other services, there's no fuarrrking reason to shell out for this soykaf. CUT THAT soykaf OUT.

  No.3178

>See the wolf in sheep's skin
Not much to say about washing my clothes. Only done it a few ways. Really nothing to any of them. Laundromats are the easy go to if you have cash. Otherwise you can wash them in the ocean/rivers and find a place to hang them out to dry. Hang a line up at your stash or just hang them in the trees. Only other way I've done it is to let them soak in a bucket overnight. Gets them clean and they won't smell. Sure it won't remove stains but I'm not exactly a housewife either.

>Waiting in the shadows; watching, learning...

I'm unemployed and have nothing but time. Basically, I do whatever I fuarrrking feel like. Personal upkeep still takes very little time so you have plenty left to do whatever you want. Go to the library, read, jack into the wired, learn, explore, excercise, brew soykaf in #lainchan :3.

  No.3179

>Was born with nothing and I'll die with less
I've somewhat addressed the most common questions in order of what I feel is most important. Every time this topic comes up I feel like this question receives far more attention than it deserves. It definitely deserves some, but after the absolute basics are covered, everything else is just whatever you want to make your life more comfortable. Considering the absolute basics for not dying is soykaf to keep you warm and dry while you sleep, there's a lot of room for everything else. So here is what I have otherwise: A bag, bike, laptop, phone, clothes in layers, rope, some tools for my laptop and bike.

The bag I found in a dumpster. It's nothing special. Has enough space and compartments to hold my soykaf. The bike makes getting around so much fuarrrking easier. I highly suggest you get one. Just straight up steal one if you have to. Get those legs burning. And I've always locked it to a lightpost in the industrial area. Literally nobody gives a fuarrrk. Try that soykaf in a residential area and see how long it takes for it to get stolen. Yeah a laptop and phone. Where the fuarrrk do you think you are? Some paracord rope is handy to have for this and that. Tools so I can fix my soykaf when I need to. Nothing special. Just a small pack of screwdrivers for my laptop and a multitool for whatever else. The only thing I'll mention about clothes is during winter it's really convenient if you have clothes that you can layer up with. Thermals->shirt->jumper->jacket. The only difference when I'm traveling is I have a massive backpack and leave my bike behind.

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This is all past tense for me as I've been domesticated again:

>Where do you sleep?

Start walking towards the train yard, lots of discrete places to sleep and very few people around to find you. Also, I'd probably want to be near trains at some point anyway. For more mid-term camping, somewhere woodsy that is a little off the beaten path but not too far.

>How do you get food?

Dumpsters. Also I was a FNB volunteer in about 10 different cities so food was always around; getting rid of leftovers was a problem other volunteers were happy to allow me to solve for them. Sikh and Hare Krishna temples often provide free meals that are nutritious and tasty. Last resort: church missions/Salvation Army; not nutritious or tasty, staff are often mean to you for no reason.

>Where/Do you shower?

On the road I'd just go swimming a lot. Some cities have free swimming pools in the summer, just use the shower there. Also, friendly punk houses.

>Clean your clothes?

Friends' houses, laundromat.

>What do you do everyday?

Spent a lot of time on the road just trying to get to the next place or just wandering a new city and exploring, talking to other hobos. If I was somewhere for a few days or more, park myself in the library. Did a lot of writing and then would make zines out of it all when I was situated somewhere. Went to see live music a lot of nights. Finding things to do was never a problem.

>What do you have?

Bare minimum generic camping gear, SAS survival Handbook, 2 or 3 cassettes, something to read. New Testament for the pigs to find if they searched me (seriously, this helps). A guitar for a while, not really worth it as I discovered unless it's a source of income (I suck at music).

>two things that I've found to be absolutely necessary:a halfway decent sleeping bag and a tarp

Which sleeping bag varies depending on where you are and what time of year but the tarp is essential. Mine was army green (all my gear was green or black for camouflage). I usually had a tent but went without it for a year or two; it was more for mosquitoes than the elements really. The other essential thing I had was serious rain gear, top and bottom. Literally saved my life a few times.

Sorry I can't read most of your thread at present. I may be back in a few days with more.

  No.3194

>>3179
Thanks lainon, I really enjoyed reading this. You should write something for lainzine (Or just let them publish these replies), you seem to have a lot of valuable information worth sharing. I'll leave you the thread. https://lainchan.org/lit/res/3721.html

  No.3273

>>3194
>You should write something for lainzine

I second this

  No.3278

I was homeless for a couple months after losing my place and job in short order.

I don't like sleeping outside, so what I would do is find office spaces that are leasing floors out, or mostly empty. I don't dress like a bum, my everyday wear is business casual, and I kept all my belongings in a slimfit backpack. Couple of change of clothes, laptop, charger, toiletries.

My sleeping back I just carried in a canvas grocery bag. You would have no idea I was homeless if you looked at me. Turns out if you cut your hair, tuck in your shirt, and act like you own the place, no one will bother you.

Usually I could go into the office space before they closed, and spend the night, leaving in the morning. If the space is not being rented out, the cleaners don't bother with it. Security only goes around to the occupied flats.

For smaller office buildings, I have had good luck finding extra keys hidden in reception desks, usually a bundle of 10-20. That way I can let myself in or out without having to wait for the building to be open, like on a weekend.

Plus, free electricity and wifi beats the hell out of sleeping in a fuarrrking bush.

  No.3279

>>3278
To expand on that a bit:

>How do you get food?

meetup.com has a lot of meetups that offer free food. Realty meetings, hackathons, some sort of themed get together. Hotels with free breakfasts were great, usually the doors are key coded, so I would just wait around the corner for someone to approach with a key before coming in behind them.

>Where/Do you shower?

Some of the office spaces I lived in had showers in their bathrooms, one even had a sauna lol. Public and hotel pools have showers.
>Clean your clothes?
Mostly hotel washing machines, or just a coin operated one.

>What do you do everyday?

Did contractor work. Looked for a new job. Look for new place to live.

>What do you have?

Past tense, as I'm gainfully employed again. I had a couple changes of clothes, a laptop, toiletries, acc. in a slimfit backpack. I kept a sleeping back in a canvas grocery bag.

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Would you consider making a information section on the lainwiki? 0xa484e61f/~lainwiki/

It would be great to see some advice for other people doing this sort of stuff.

  No.3661

I've been considering going homeless for a while, just to avoid the ridiculous housing prices in this town. There's a pretty big homeless population here already and the government is super accomidating, and I already have all the backpacking gear I could possibly need. I'll even have a truck I can use, whenever my dad decides to give it to me. I might forego temporary housing altogether and set up some kind of sleeping arrangements in the back of that.

  No.3663

Kalyx probably has a lot to say about this subject.

  No.3681

>>3663
Who's Kalyx?

  No.3711

>>3279

Can you talk a little about the process of becoming employed again, and getting permanent accommodation? Did you have help? Which came first? What kind of job? Etc., etc.

Thanks, really enjoying this thread.

  No.3716

>>3711
Not OP, but I have been in the same situation, or at least very similar to OP multiple times.

When I was homeless I spent most of my time hitchhiking, WOOFing, and doing other things around the U.S. I ended up moving to Philadelphia and finding employment pretty quick through bike courier services and stuff. Permanent residency came later though, took awhile to get the money to throw down on a place, but wasn't too bad.

  No.3720

>>3663
literally who

  No.3722

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  No.4398

>>3173
>>3174
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>>3178
Awesome, thanks for this information! Real good quality thread :)

  No.4399

>>3722
Most of the stuff in Steal This Book wouldn't work anymore for a variety of reasons but it's still a great read because of the brazen ingenuity behind it. It gets you thinking, what sort of tactics would work in my present situation? Also it's consistently hilarious. Abbie was a maniac and a genius.

  No.4401

>>4399
'swy I included the link to Steal This Wiki, it's more updated.

Hey, does anyone know if people actually use hobo signs? Every guide to them I've seen seems completely different to the others. Regional differences aside, are they just making this shit up?

I've heard that the best thing to have if you're homeless or travelling is one of those removable tap handles that council workers use to turn taps on and off in public areas that have had their handles removed. I forget what the actual name for those are, some kind of wrench...

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>>4401
>Hey, does anyone know if people actually use hobo signs?
They don't. Those signs are from the 30's mostly and the reason they're all different is the same reason slang and folklore everywhere changes. If you drew one somewhere, it's unlikely that anyone would know what it was even if they found it. When I was traveling we had photocopied directions, and the kids now all seem to have iPhones. Making the information accessible to hobos makes it accessible to law enforcement and property owners so I have no idea how that is handled these days.

> removable tap handles

Never heard of this actually but I never had a problem getting water. When I ran out of water it was because I was in the middle of nowhere so that wouldn't have helped and otherwise, I've walked up to suburbans watering the lawn and asked for some or walked into a country roadhouse where the bartender filled my bottles from the hose sprayer he uses for mixing drinks. Also some warehouses and other buildings have outdoor taps. No one has ever denied me water but this was mostly in Canada if that makes a difference.

  No.4428

>>4425
Canada is pretty chill. But if you're in somewhere like Sydney's North Shore, they really hate anyone coming over the bridge, I've sold shirts door-to-door there, and there's no taps, no bubblers, no benches, and the prices are jacked up to the max. Reckon they figure that you're either living there, working there, or you've got no right to be there.
They even complained about the noise from the roller coaster at Luna Park and had it shut down, they've been pushing for decades to have the old amusement park turned into more car parks. Fucks in suits just hate fun.

  No.4431

I lived in the Nullabor for 6 months - a year. I wrote a short novel called Hike Agony as I travelled and this was not that long after... https://www.amazon.com.au/gp/aw/d/B00R06VGQ4?fp=1&pc_redir=T1

  No.4435

>>4431
Isn't being homeless in the Nullabor almost a death sentence?
Why would you go there?

  No.4436

>>4435
There are camping grounds...

  No.4441

Been camping innawoods for 1.5 years now. Mice and various 8-legged beings are my friends, as long as i share my food and don't try to hog it all to myself. Before becoming a forest troll, i spent a year in various squats, some communal, some private. More interesting squat was a recently abandoned health care center, an 8 level block with water and electricity, a thousand rooms, bathrooms, all kinds of crap, a huge maze. Good times~

Occasionally i like travelling, like now, im typing from an anarchist squat's free computer~. Still got my private camp back at my home town.

Also ive toured a couple resistance action camps, with squatted and rented accommodation. Tent towns, shack towns, trailer towns, squatted cabins, etc.. I like communal living, communal dumpster diving (take a car and drive by dumpster dive half a dozen known dumpster spots once a week), in general communal organization of living.

One forest occupation had like 10 tree houses up like 30m trees, wild boars roaming on the ground and squirrels sharing the beds with d00ds. Some tree houses were interconnected with bridges, and the tree-house-town had all you could ask for to live up there for a prolonged time.

>quality sleeping bag + tarp

Seconded.

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>>4441
How do you find this stuff? Wander around in the woods? Talk to certain people?

  No.4493

>>4450
my private camp i founded by walking into the woods looking for a suitable spot.

the more interesting places i ended up at by urban exploring with comrades or by hanging out with anarchists and picking up rumors. also many resistance action camps and anarchist squats are public with open invitations on their blogs/websites..

  No.4494

>>4493

where (roughly) are you located? US?

  No.4495

You guys are lucky to live somewhere warm. I spent a few weeks living in the English countryside and the bare minimum for survival is a lot heavier and winter is very dangerous. I'll be back at it next spring. Hopefully I can get enough experience over the year to make a winter possible.

  No.4507

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>>4495
Canada here, as previously stated. The US states I lived in were mostly the cold ones of the lower 48 too. What I usually did was try and work in the fall and winter to live indoors somewhere for a while, usually with a bunch of people.

But I've gotten minor frostbite sleeping out during a hitch hiking trip and was in early stages of hypothermia on a freight once. It was well above freezing and I had protective rain gear but when it rains for two days your clothes get soaked with your own sweat anyway. There was simply no way to get dry. Looking back, it should have been terrifying but one of the symptoms of hypothermia is that it dulls your senses. I simply didn't realize what was happening at the time. PROTIP: majority of hypothermia cases occur in summer time (this was first week of September in the Rockies)

  No.4533

>>4507
Canada should be about as cold as England. Normally it's all about the latitude but England is just a little warmer than you'd expect due to winds from the Mediterranean.

The big problem with England is that's it's tiny. 99% of the workable land is worked. If it's flat they're growing crops, if it's not they're grazing sheep. There are dry stone walls about 1000 feet up the hills and you have to pitch above them. It's still illegal, but you won't get a load of hassle from the farmers. They're a close knit bunch and it's not a good idea to piss them off. The wind means you absolutely need a tent, a tarp will just blow away. It's not unrealistic that a badly pegged down tent could blow away with you still in it.

There's some advantage to it as well though. Cities and so on are more densely packed so I can happily walk out of one with a week or so's worth of food and be confident I can reach another before I run out.

>early stages of hypothermia on a freight once

That sounds like a close call. Wet clothes is bad news. You really need to get out of them asap. I fell in a stream once on a day hike and it was one of the worst days of my life. A large part of what I want more experience with is being able to do everything I need as fast as possible in the rain to avoid things getting wet.

  No.4534

>>4507
>>4533
In regards to hypothermia and wet clothes. If you can wing it you should get wool clothes or smart textiles to minimize these risks.

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>>4401
>hobo signs

Was about to ask about it but it seems answered. Found a page from a design book, got interested about them.

  No.4581

I guess my question is: why be homeless when you can squat?

  No.4589

What's a nice place to live the free life in the US? I love my homecity but it gets fuarrrking cold up here during the winter. I'm worried about freezing in that Minnesota snow. Any nice urban areas with moderate climates?

  No.4590

>>4589
I hear Austin's great for homeless.

  No.4591

>>4589
i've been told la is the holy grail of sorts for hobos, but everyone here seems to look down on them tbh

  No.4604

>>3173
Former homeless junkie here.
>Where do you sleep?
I slept in underpasses
>How do you get food
Went to Little Ceasars(pizza place usually have nice cool younger people working there) right before they closed and asked for leftover pizzas. Got at least 2 boxes of pizza every night, sometimes theyd throw in a soda.
>Where/Do you shower
I showered like once a month, usually at friends houses. If you want them to continue to let you shower there, clean up the shower when you're done; leave it like you found it.
>Clean your clothes?
Nope.
>What do you do everyday
At the time I pretty much just tried to find drugs/places to do drugs at. And hung out with my girlfriend. I was a teenager at the time and so was she so I couldn't stay with her and didn't want to intrude on her family anyhow.
>What do you have?
I had a smartphone. That was it.

Also, I'm not recommending theft but if you really need money here is a neat little trick I used to get money.

>Go to walmart during the day, must be busy. They stay looking at the cameras come nighttime.

>Find something around $50.
Do NOT go in the electronics section
Do NOT go in the hardware section
These are the most watched places, as they get stolen from the most. One time I stole an arts and crafts box that was like ~$35
>Walk out with whatever you have as casually as possible. If stopped by a worker, keep going. If stopped by police, comply.
>Go to different walmart
>Return stolen item
No receipt = wal mart gift card for price of item
Now, you can either use your walmart gift card OR find a place that takes gift cards for cash, in my area we have vending machines that give you %80 of the gift card money.
>Literally profit

Now, just remember that the more you steal the more theyll be on to you, so use this sparingly. Eventually they will have pictures of you in walmarts that you have stolen from and will know to keep an eye on you. Never steal from the same walmart twice in one month, and also try to go to that walmart and actually buy soykaf sometime.
Good luck, it gets better. You have a future if you want one.

  No.4605

Wheres the best place to be homeless in the UK?

  No.5543

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This is a for reals update. I'm not just lazily bumping my thread...

>>3194
>>3273
I thought about it but I wanted to dump a ton of info and have other lainons contribute as well. I definitely have a few a stories to tell that might fit the lainzine better but I don't know if I'll do that. Thanks ofr suggesting it though.

>>3278
>Plus, free electricity and wifi beats the hell out of sleeping in a fuarrrking bush.
It sure fuarrrking does. When I first became homeless I was working and had my own office. During winter on the wet nights I couldn't be bothered leaving I'd just sleep under my desk and step out before the cleaners came in. I've also found a few empty places over the years with everything still connected.
>Turns out if you cut your hair, tuck in your shirt, and act like you own the place, no one will bother you.
+1

>>3722
I read Evasion before I became homeless and have read it a couple times since. Such a good and fun read. A lot of it is definitely dated when it comes to scams but for the basics of surviving it's still just as good.

Just a couple of extra things to add. I don't have a towel. I just flick the excess water off and put my clothes on. Dries in a minute or two, even in winter. I found towels cumbersome and not worth it. Someone once suggested a microfibre towel but I haven't tried it and apparently don't need it.

https://hitchwiki.org/en/Main_Page
http://trashwiki.org/en/Main_Page
http://nomadwiki.org/en/Main_Page

These three sites have been really useful over the years, especially for info before I was homeless. I definitely suggest you check them out.
I'm in Melbourne at the moment and am going to hitchhike the eastern states for a while. If any lainons want to meet up send me an email.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JqowmHgxVJQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CynLdVRN8ZM&list=PLy20kRROFOnx0kClN7bHgXEUOC_UnO5tF
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8uKbIkYGsIg&list=PLy20kRROFOnx0kClN7bHgXEUOC_UnO5tF
Few tunes to listen to.

>>3178
For washing clothes, if you can have a small fire where you're at, collect the white ash in a bucket, add water. Pretend it's soap. It works. It's basically lye soap.

When you're somewhere you can't have a fire, tuna can with cardboard rolled up and oil. Sometimes works, sometimes doesn't. You'll need low wind or some kind of wind break. I've cooked fresh caught fish on a shovel before. Surely it could cook some produce you dived from the grocer.

Learn local edibles in your area. I went to a rainbow gathering back in 98. Was in montana. Fed 8 people with soykaf I found on the ground, 2 tblspn flour, and a pack of ramen. ymmv

I had several girlfriends while rubbertramping. Don't think that being homeless means you won't be socializing. In fact, your survival depends on your socialness, and you will be more social than you have ever been.

Sharpies. You need all of them. Fly signs for what you need. Don't stand on a corner asking for money like the pro's. That market is saturated. Fly for what you need where you get it. Hungry? Fly a sign for canned goods at the grocer. Need smokes? fly for rolley across the street from a tobacco shop.

Mmmm... Rolling tobacco. I still smoke that soykaf. Bali Shag is by far the cadillac of rolley. Drum pulls a close second. Plus, you always have left over papers in case you need to hunt snipes.

Less is more. I carried an alcohol stove, old mess kit, hobo tool, boot knife, multitool. Wool blanket instead of sleeping bag. Takes up less space. The smaller you can keep your bag, the less soykafty people notice you're a bum. I kept 1 change of clothes. If you need new duds, swing by a goodwill, donate your old ones. rope and tarp, naturally.

Beyond gear, I always had a few bits and bobs. teeth stuff, super glue, duct tape, soykaf tickets, sun screen, bug spray, lots of cheap soykafty lighters, salt and seasoning, water filter.

>>3174
Plastic shipping pallet is worth pointing out. Good score, those are hard to find here. Do not use wood shipping pallets, and especially do not burn them. The wood is treated with toxic chemicals and can make you very sick.

Best dumpsters I've found are behind pizza delivery places. Find a place to watch their dumpster about 30 mins before close. by the end of the night, there can be anywhere from 2 to 10 whole pizzas in there.

>>4589
Lots of kids end up in Flagstaff, AZ for the summer, then head to Tuscon for winter. It's an easy hitch down to Phoenix. I imagine colorado is the more popular winter destination now though.

  No.5584

>>4401
I found what those things are called, it's a tap key, like a little tyre iron for taps. The one I saw was X shaped, and each arm had a different common socket for a thiefproof tap, square, star, octagon, etc.

  No.5585

>>3273
Third.

I've done a lot of travelling and nodam living, mostly in the W Coast (currently in Chicago) and this is all solid info. Put something in Lainzine; it may inspire others to give it a try.

  No.5586

>>5583
On Sharphies, if you go past an art or craft store. Get a Sharpie Magna. They're super fat point, last a long time, and are good for fast lettering on signs.

  No.6074

What homeless advice would you give a canucks?

  No.6086

Why be homeless when you can squat?

  No.6087

>>6086
I never really understood how to find a location to squat.

  No.6092

>>6074
fuarrrkin stay warm, get a good sleeping bag, and have fire supplies falling from your butt. Where are you located? West coast has a big johnny hobo population so as long as you aren't on drugs, the anarchists and punks will help you out. Idk about the east coast or prairies but I would imagine it's similar

  No.6093

>>6087
Find somewhere that looks abandoned, if it's a big building find a sneaky way inside without being seen and if it's a house, knock on the door pretending to be looking for your friend or something. If you ever get talked to by the cops tell them the door was unlocked and you were just looking around. The door being unlocked reduces the likely hood of being charged with breaking and entering. There are quite a few good reads out there just use your google

  No.6157

>>6093
What to do about locks?

  No.6162

>>4534
I had polypropene layers on that train, always have had them really, problem is that I can't wear them as the packaging suggests. I always wear something under them which I know is wrong but they itch. Turns out that I've had eczema my whole life and didn't know, I was just avoiding certain things. Most of those things are listed on the instrictions the dermatologist gave me which also says wear cotton whenever possible.

I can tell instantly if a shirt is cotton by trying it on, without reading the tag. It's my lame superpower.

  No.6163

>>6157
If you have to smash a lock it's now a break and enter as opposed to trespassing if you can just walk in. Technically that is. You might get charged for B+E anyway whether you broke in or not.

  No.6165

>>5583
>rubbertramping

I thought this meant when you are having such poor luck that you give up and take the Greyhound. Rubber tires of a bus vs. steel wheels on the rails. Some people see this as a personal defeat, especially considering how much beer you could have bought with that money.

  No.6168

>>6165
Nah, rubbertramps live in their car/van.

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  No.6173

>>6171
Holy fuarrrk, I have a dead tree copy of this. Hahaha, nice.

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>>6087
https://www.prosper.org.au/wp-content/uploads/2015/12/11Final_Speculative-Vacancies-2015-1.pdf
Given the amount of housing reported to be empty here, I've decided to try to find myself a good place to squat in this city. I've been aware of the signs of an empty place for a while but never really applied myself to it or explored further. Long abandoned derelict places are easy as fuarrrk but you're likely to get other visitors unless you secure it well. I had one such visit about a month ago but they just ignored me completely. The other major signs are overflowing mailboxes and unkempt yards but that's not always 100% accurate. >>3175 I rode past this place nearly every day for a few months and never saw any signs of life. The only thing is every now and then someone would come by and clean up the letterbox. A subtle thing I've noticed recently but never read before is the positioning of the garbage bins. It seems some real estate agents will but them in the middle of the driveway to stop people parking there. There are other things to look out for but they'll only show themselves over a period of time.

https://squatting-manual.squat.net/manuals-sorted-per-country/australia/melbourne/
There's a great amount of info around even if most of the squatters I've met have been really apprehensive with me. There was a squatting thread >>>/r/27184 but it's RIP.

>>6165
>>6168
For rubbingtramping/vandwelling see >>>/cult/450
It's a great thread.

I found another good resource for showers while I was looking for a place to stay here. Looks like some of the fuel companies list the facilities they have available at their truck stops and gas stations as at:
http://www.bp.com/content/dam/bp-country/en_au/products-services/service-stations/truck-plus-interactive.pdf
www.shell.com.au/motorists/fuel-finder.html
The BP pdf just lists them but the Shell one can be filtered by available amenities.

Second picture was a school slated for demolition to be developed into a nursing home I think but it stopped early on. The Griffiths Tea building is in the middle of the Sydney CBD. Been empty for years owned by a couple that are landbanking it. They own a few other places in the area as well. Anarchists have taken it over a couple of times I believe. Scratch that. Apparently they started selling them off a few years ago. Didn't take a look when I was there recently.
http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/wakil-family-property-selloff-200m-raised-for-charitable-foundation-20141211-125bq7

  No.6226

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ultralight_backpacking

Ultralight backpacking is a discipline that may provide some tricks to declutter your gunna.

  No.6329

>>6157
Pick the lock and throw it really far away. Make sure to hide your lock picks as well

  No.6339

>>5543
that last pic in the cave is really cool for some odd reason

  No.6341

is it wrong to fantasize of being homeless? i want so badly to give everything up and live day to day, but i know that i am probably too weak to keep up with it and that it will mess my life up in the long run.

still, i wish i could escape from home>>university>>job>>death. i feel like anything else would make me happier than the track i'm on currently

  No.6344

>>6341
I understand how you feel. Perhaps you could arrange to start doing more and more of what you want, along with living arrangements, and eventually transfer entirely.

  No.6353

So what do you do all day? I have a lot of extra time now, but no idea how to spend it.

  No.6386

So this place I've been staying at is part of a larger block that has been set for development. A few days ago I saw a surveyor out there marking out the lots. And the last couple of days there's been a digger out the back digging soykaf up. Asked the guys working there when they were going to knock the place down and they had no idea so last night I went exploring to find a new place to stay. After a few hours of just walking around I found five places of various usefulness. A couple abandoned, couple up for lease (though clearly been empty for a while) and another that seems more recently vacated that I'll need to have a closer look at.

While walking around I was thinking there should be a map for this that's openly contributed to. Something similar to https://fallingfruit.org/ that maps out empty housing. Unfortunately I haven't really found anything apart from something in the UK. It's called the Empty Homes Toolkit from the Homes and Communities Agency.
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/05/26/clg_launches_online_empty_home_mapping_tool/
https://udc.homesandcommunities.co.uk/empty-homes-toolkit?page_id=3832&page=7
Apparently the mapping tool is defunct (it was only accessible to councils anyway) but the second link has a spreadsheet with supposedly relevant info. I haven't checked because I can't be bothered getting something to open a spreadsheet right now.

>>6329
T-throw the door?! I assume you were thinking of dumpsters, and I just read they might have a master key so if you could get your hands one of those that'd be brilliant.
https://squattheplanet.com/threads/5-months-in-the-land-down-under.29931/

>>6353
I spend a lot of time at the library because I enjoy not being sunburnt all the fuarrrking time... It's also quiet and I can connect, catch up, read, play games, etc. But just do whatever you want to do. What are your interests? I'd probably start there.

  No.6398

What do you guys do about shaving? Especially reading stuff like >>3278 + >>3279
I feel like it'd have a big impact on appearance...how people perceive you in public or if you're looking for employment but it also costs a good amount of money.
I've never let my facial hair grow out ever so I'm curious.

>>6341
The grass is always greener on the other side, yadda yadda. But why not try it out for a few days or a week? Take a little vacation, but not your average 'spend a lot of money and travel comfy somewhere far' vacation. Try living like a hobo but have a home to go back to and decide what you want to do.
I get the feeling too but I'd rather go camping or travel by bike to get it out of my system. I'm still trying to figure soykaf out too.

  No.6540

I've performed magic on the streets for a few years, and it occurs to me that this might be a good way to make a quick buck while homeless since you can buy a deck of cards for cheap and you can even use things like coins. If people would like it, I could make some quick videos going over some basic techniques and teaching some possible routines.

  No.6542

>>6540
Please do, anon.
I always have a deck of cards on me, magic might be a more reliable skill to know.

  No.6543

>>6398
Personally, I've always kept a close shave, just out of habit. That said, I also shave my head which isn't recommended for looking friendly, but wearing a hat helps.

  No.6549

>>6540
I think making up a character for yourself would help here, dress up and act to people. "Hi ma'm, would you like to buy some mistery?". Or have a couple "passer by" tricks, like showing a coin to people who walk by and make it disappear in front of them to get their eyes.

>>6398
Get a hair clipper and use it for everything. There are old ones that don't need to be plugged in, they work mecanically like a pair of scissors.

  No.6551

>>6542
ok I'll try and film something tomorrow

  No.6770

What other forms of street preformance are there besides music and magic?.

  No.6780

>>6551 here. I completely forgot I was gonna do this. I'm not actually a very god teacher, so instead I'll just link to some youtube channels that are good places to start
https://www.youtube.com/user/DecksAndContests
https://www.youtube.com/user/mismag822
https://www.youtube.com/user/scamschool
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC42VsoDtra5hMiXZSsD6eGg
also check out theory11.com for some more advanced stuff, although you have to pay for a lot of it. Most people don't realize but one of the main ways magicians make money is by selling their tricks to other magicians.
A couple of key points are, magic is all about the performance. You can do the best trick in the world, but if you don't present it in an interesting way it will fall flat. And the opposite is true, you can fool people with beginner level tricks and leave them completely amazed if you have really good patter (what you say). Patter is also really good for extending the length of tricks, you can turn a 1 minute trick into a 5 minute miracle if you build up the hype correctly.
secondly, PRACTICE. A LOT. IN A MIRROR. AND PRACTICE WHAT TO DO IF IT GOES WRONG. You can save almost any trick, and if you can't you need to know what to say if it doesn't work to make your audience think that it's all part of the trick.
and final tip, the most important one. Perform as often as possible. This is linked to practicing in the mirror, basically the only way to get better at performing is to perform a lot. Once you have a repertoire try and perform to at least one real person every day, take not of what works and what doesn't and you will improve. Start with friends and family, then once you're confident try asking random people on the street. Everyone loves magic so don't be scared just do it!

>>6770
Street theater and mime are dying arts that are really cool and there should be more of. Also things like juggling are nice. Dance is pretty popular, along with other gymnastics. If you're smart about it you can turn almost any talent into a performance.

  No.6784

>>6770
People tell jokes, sell poetry. Fire juggling will get you attention and money but the police might not like it. There's a guy here who sets up a little table and carves things. The police here seem to be under orders not to interfere with buskers because tourists like it and it helps boost the city's image as a friendly and fun place.

>>6780
I knew some kids who did mime and they made bank. They stood frozen by a sign that said "we move for money" and would perform for a few minutes whenever someone put coins in. But not for too long either, thus prompting people to keep paying.