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See by yourself : https://what.cd/


This is why it's never good idea to keep a good ratio.


I never considered it worth the effort to get into what.cd because I have soykaf upload rates, I like to wipe my disk willy nilly and the only thing I could use as a seedbox, an OG 256MB Pi, is too damn slow and has network connectivity issues.
One thing I didn't realise about what.cd apart from the quality/lossless files was the breadth of the library, the quality of the tagging, the community but also that it had music recommendation above and beyond last.fm and definitely soykaftify (you can't even choon/poon radio tracks anymore).
Fags on HN were talking about how they could find releases from some band in the backend of nowhere who pulled a tape out of their ass in 1971, and likened this to burning down the musical Library of Alexandria. "Travesty".


fuarrrk off with the anti-seeding meme. If no-one seeds no-one can download. Put back in what you take out.


Seeding should only be done by people with seedboxes.


When has altruism ever helped in a cyberpunk world?


It has preserved and passed along a lot of data.
Culture has been spread through seeding, if archiving is your goal, seeding has done you good.
I know it did for me.


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If one guy seeds ten albums, and something happens to his computer, you'd better hope someone else is willing to share, or nobody else can get those songs.

If four guys each seed five of those albums, even if one guy goes down, chances are there's still another guy who has what you need. Thanks to the modern wonder of peer-to-peer filesharing, you can make that one copy multiply exponentially. Be that guy. Knowledge and culture left unspread dies with you. Just because you downloaded an album doesn't mean you can't still buy it after, that's what I do - I just make sure I'm actually going to listen to the soykaf first.


You have some nice ideology, but reality doesn't care about niceties too much. If there is something that is reduced to just one or two seeds, it means that basically nobody gives a fuarrrk and nobody wants or needs it.
You may now come up with an anecdote of this thing or things that you were the sole seed of and over a few years they saw tens or hundreds of downloads, and perhaps they made you proud thinking that you have been guarding something from oblivion, but again people who downloaded it probably got rid of it in a day or two anyway, losing interest or realizing it's not THAT THING. I've been that person lots of times, grabbing that golden torrent and then deleting it for space a week after when the fancy has passed. We're talking about music here, pieces of entertainment and perhaps a few clever ideas or feels, nothing more. It's not life-changing, you might simply associate it with a change in your life - just show it to other people and see how spectacularly indifferent they will be. You're not Gandalf, and whatever it is that only you seed are probably not interesting to Gandalf either.


>tfw all the things you want have zero, or at most one seeders

there are people out there who really care about these things. they have worth, even if they're not popular; maybe *because* they aren't.


I once was looking for a piece of music. There was a YouTube video by the artist, and in the description was a download link for the mp3 file that came straight out of his recording device thing. This was all good, until he took the video off. I didn't notice because I didn't think of that song for half a year. When I did, I couldn't find it anywhere. Nobody cared to upload it anywhere when it was new because the artist himself was sharing it already. So I spent a whole day googling, trying to think of words that were in the description, until I found half a sentence of it in some long-gone facebook post still cached by google. Searching for that half sentence gave less than 20 results, all of those were either irrelevant or 404 pages. One of the sites however was not dynamic, and I could wayback-machine an older version where I could get the full text of the description, including the download link. I was super fuarrrking happy, and then a whole two days later I deleted the stuff. I could never find it again through searching, likely because the result I used was obsoleted and fell out of the cache. I still have that download link, thanks to someone else. It matters little though - all that really mattered was looking for and finding the rare stuff, and some ideas. Ideas can always be poured into something else though, and there's always new rare stuff to be sought.

It kind of remind me of readers of fantasy. People being nostalgic about things they never had.


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compulsion is not caring, yes. i'm talking about the opposite: the missing album from a favourite artist; the final book in a series; an artist's early work that is referenced later on.

it *is* possible to miss something never had, just as it's possible to miss something lost and half-remembered. the pain of losing a loved one is waking up in the middle of the night to an empty bed and realising you can't remember his scent, the shape of his hands, the flecks in his eyes.

information should be held sacrosanct, because it's all we have. and it cannot exist in a vacuum. at the risk of being a meme, すべて、繋がっています。 western lit cannot be fully appreciated without a background in greek and roman mythology, and the more of an artists work a viewer consumes, the more related information is found, the closer that viewer comes both to the artist and to any others who have done the same. people form these relationships with every bit of information they encounter, the difference being only a matter of degree. what for you is a casual whim, an inspected briefly and tossed aside, is for others much more deeply integrated.

and yes, that which is "never had" can be missed just the same, for a hole is defined by the pieces that surround it, and a hole is a hole, regardless of whether it was once filled. the larger the hole, the more deeply integrated its surroundings are, the more its absence is missed. the pain felt when denied access to an artwork by somebody you've grown up with, whose work is a lasting presence in your life, is, though on a smaller scale, the same pain felt when losing a life partner, and, for many, such one-sided relationships are all they have. so yes, it does matter, and no, another fish won't always do. if even one person needs that piece to fill a hole, it's a thing worth doing.


I'm gonna need a source on that audio. I tried some IDing services but got nothing


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>Fags on HN were talking about how they could find releases from some band in the backend of nowhere who pulled a tape out of their ass in 1971, and likened this to burning down the musical Library of Alexandria. "Travesty".

Well...it is a travesty. The combined cultural loss as a result of What.CD's servers being stolen is quite a blow to music as a whole due to destroying established accessibility to these less often heard but non-insignificant works. Sure, a large amount of that music indexed by the tracker is still out there---somewhere---but without a means for others to share and the incentive to do so (e.g. being able to leverage others' music libraries), it is not an understatement to say that the more fringe music is effectively destroyed.

While there's nothing stopping former What.CD users from taking their music libraries and uploading them to another private tracker or even a public one, you have to consider that most will not bother. Not to mention the issues concerning: setting up a new tracker; growing a community; RIAA intimidation discouraging use of public trackers; etc.; etc.

If nothing else, I hope anyone who considers putting up a new tracker moves to a distributed tech platform such as i2p or IPFS. It'd be a pain to get everyone on board with setting up these things but with a large enough push I believe it could succeed and be able to live much longer and more safely than before. And the networks would benefit as well.


Although a big amount of data was lost, I still think its a good riddance, because it showed everyone how much openness and insurance are important for survival. If they released their entire database (simply by flushing magnet+description+comments into it) and release it via torrent and notifying users to turn DHT now, then nothing would ever be lost. Someone would get such db integrated into their tracker and there will be transition to successor, hopefully with servers somewhere in Ecuador.


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here! here!

>plebs torrenting w/o a seedbox

i dont usually DHT, but if this happened i would have.


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>If nothing else, I hope anyone who considers putting up a new tracker moves to a distributed tech platform such as i2p or IPFS. It'd be a pain to get everyone on board with setting up these things but with a large enough push I believe it could succeed and be able to live much longer and more safely than before. And the networks would benefit as well.

For starters, I think more attention needs to be put into updatable torrents:

I think trackers should provide a freeleech regularly updated torrent that is nothing but a backup of all the magnet links on the site in some form. So, even if the tracker goes down, all the torrents are still accessible. This makes rebuilding easier.


A lot of the value in what was in the tagging. Distributing the torrents wouldn't change that.

Is there a way to have a fully distributed private tracker through something like a blockchain tracking who's seeded and who hasn't? That seems doable.


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So where do you guys actually get your music from?


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Deezloader works pretty well for me. It has a large 320K download selection and it doesn't afraid of anything.

dojin.co is also good if you're into obscure weeb music.


>likened this to burning down the musical Library of Alexandria. "Travesty".
The music stored across the oink/what.cd network was easily the biggest in world history. Although it was not stored centrally, so long as there was 1 viable seed on anything it counted towards the collection. Rips appeared on what.cd that were thought to have been lost or to have never existed. imo The Library of Alexandria is an understatement.


as of january this year dojin.co only allows you to dl if you donate or upload albums
i prefer doujinstyle


I aced the interview, first time, on October. I didn't grab all I wanted because I was trying to build up my ratio. FML. At least I got a few albums I wanted.


Forgot to mention, this was to be my way of getting onto other private trackers. Din't try before because my network speeds where soykaf.


Soulseek and rutracker



Deezloader vs Soulseek vs rutracker
Anyone familiar with them all?
Which one's got the largest selection?
What are the differences between them?


Soulseek works and is decentralized.
Rutracker is Russian.
Never heard of Deezloader though.


Rutracker has larger collection. Soulseek has more rarities, and I know people who share 200gb collections of very rare releases over it. Your pick.


Rutracker removes content upon request and those requests apply to all tracked torrents in the future too. If they bend themselves like that, it's quite possible they are willing to expose user data too to keep the site running. Wouldn't suggest.


I've been using rutracker for a few years (never bothered with getting a what.cd invite, and KAT just pissed me off)

The issue with rutracker is that it's an obvious honeypot, so don't use personal info and don't reuse pw's for it, all the normal stuff. On the flip side, it has a very large selection of albums, and doesn't require a maintained positive ratio. Main deterrent for people is that it's Russian, but the search engine and most posts are in English so it really isn't that big of a deal.

Soulseek has an incredible selection, there isn't a single album that I haven't found in some quality on soulseek. In addition, the direct download makes it less likely for you to get an angry letter in the mail from a label for downloading their music. Honestly the biggest issue with Soulseek is the speeds, but if you're willing to wait 5-10 minutes for your album to download you'll usually be fine.

Never heard of Deezloader


Really? I got back into SLSK for a while last year and was impressed with the speeds. It depends on the other user's connection but I was getting full albums within a couple of minutes. If I just wanted one song, maybe seconds. Other users though, not so fast.


The downside with Soulseek tho is that it's proprietary :<
We need a file liberation front where Soulseeks content is migrated over to free torrent platforms like Tribler (...maybe v7.5) or I2P


It is sad what cd blown up even i get in before
I'm currently using rutracker and apollo

rutracker is the best now atleast in my opinion


How do you "migrate over" the content of thousands of users which is changing every second? I'm not even sure I understand this.

At least soulseek is free and devoid of ads.


Soulseek is not closed-source. The protocol itself is FOSS, but soulseekqt is not. Nicotine++ is a FOSS Soulseek client.