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Would anyone argue against this?


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I don't have time or motivation for gym. I do jogging and I like my body this way, I've gotten too used to my slim body and won't be spending time and money to change that.

Socrates had nothing to do except discuss philosophy and do sports. Physical strength was revered in ancient Greece to top it off, it'd be weird if he had represented any other opinion about this topic.


I highly doubt that you don't have enough time for gym.


Yes I do have time for gym. But I won't use the time for that, I have studies, sleeping, hobbies, social relationships etc... and when I do have time I'd rather use it to do things that will benefit me or make me happier. Getting SWOLE at the ol' sweatbox isn't one of those things, outside sports are way better in all aspects.


At least you do jogging. If you want to excel you'll have to basically be slim and concentrate on endurance rather than strength.

I wonder if anyone will actually really argue against taking proper care of one's body and improving it.


were it possible to have my brain in a computer I'd ditch my body.


I wouldn't say you have to make your body perfect or whatever, I'd just say it's a shame to let yourself become unfit, especially to the point of obesity. For example I don't do any exercise where I actually purposefully set out to exercise like running or going to the gym or whatever. But I do cycle a lot for practicality and my in general routine I eat relatively healthy, I think that's the minimum everyone should have. I say no one has the excuse to be fat


Is there more context to this quote? I'm pretty sure having no right to be a lazy soykaf implies that the state should force me to work out. Or are the compulsory PE classes in school sufficient?


>I'm pretty sure having no right to be a lazy soykaf implies that the state should force me to work out.

In this context, not at all. We're talking about Socrates, so: what is good comes from within. In other words, this is a matter of (self-)discipline.


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I'd rather have people not have the right to be an amateur in the matter of mental training. Who cares about the body, this affects mostly only you. Your mental tools are the means by which you make decisions that impact others, you should hone those instead.
It is a shame for a man to grow old without seeing the beauty and strength of which his mind is capable.

With regards to physical activity for the sake of physical activity (aka exercise), I would like to make the basic observation that it is not fun in almost all manifestations (for me). Seeing your body as a project that you work on to transform it to something beautiful or to increase its capacity to do physical activity (aka exercise for strength), while interesting, is in my view simply not worth the pain of exercise.

I feel that a diet which is appropriate to your lifestyle (energy intake/outtake and so on) is more important to your health and posture than the amount of exercise.

Also, I feel this thread is offtopic and should be moved to /r/.


can't train the mind without training the body, tbh


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I agree with you.
>Strong mind
>Strong body
>Strong Spirit

I finally got out of my teenage depression and only cry some nights but i actually enjoy going to the gym now.


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"you can't get brains without sick gains"

-Stephen "the falcon" Hawking


I don't see any reason for that to be true. While being connected, brains aren't dependant on the fitness of the body.

Generally, this sentiment seems to be rooted in some desire to feel better than other people, as if the worth of the person is (mentalFitness*physicalFitness), while it could as well be (mentalFitness + physicalFitness). It's obvious that rest being equal, being more fit is a good thing, but there is no deontological requirement for someone to go and get fit.


I tend to agree... to some extent.
A man's "worth" (for lack of a better word at the moment) can be measured in so many ways. Mind and body are just two of them (perhaps the most natural), though wherever you look, you'll see there are many more measures for it: economical success, a position in the social ladder, or the number of sexual partners one has.
You could say that those are not really indicators of "worth", yet the rest of the world would be glad to disagree.


I'd say it is true, except when it is not, which is a pretty wide set of situations Socrates never had a chance to anticipate. "Growing old without training your body or being ashamed if this" is a possibility that must be explored, otherwise it will be something humanity has missed out on, doesn't know about, etc. To me, it almost seems like an argument for ignorance. But my real problem with the quote is "has the right". Rights are dumb when lifted out of their pragmatic context of "keep people in check". Their only existence is that of an elaborate illusion voluntarily enforced by people who for whatever reason like it.


>neurosuggesting Stephen Hawking doesn't wish he could do the excersize you disdain
Yipee ki-yay, Mr. Falcon!


The brain is part of the body, of course it is dependant on it. Your brain won't work well if the rest of your body is a wreck.


This is true. To start with, being unhealthy is distracting and small healrh problems take your attention away from more intellectual tasks. You're arguing with people who want to justify their inactiviry and poor diet while daydreaming of becoming a brain in a jar wired to their computers.


I believe it's more important to be fit/healthy than to have a great physique


Just do bodyweight training. Don't need to go to the gym to improve significantly and it takes very little time.


Ol' Steve used to be on the Cambridge rowing team when he could still move his legs.


And then came American/European sugars and high fructose corn syrup.

And of course nobody works out or gets adequate exercise.


Could you elaborate a little more on this? How exactly do you do bodyweight training? As someone who struggles to get under 300LBs I'm interested.


I agree. I think if you use this to pass judgement on others because you lift and they dont you are immature. Or in conversation try to force it by saying things such as
it isnt really your business. if someone says they dont have time they dont have time. I never understood someone who would use a strength of theirs as a way to put people down for not having or wanting that same strength. worry about yourself.


absolutely not.

Weight lifting is probably the easiest "sport" in existence. You really don't have to do much more than show up to the gym twice a week, then pick things up and put them down. If it feels heavy you can just get lighter weights, and then keep going until you can lift heavier ones.

You can go "hard" if you want. I try to. If your just not feeling it, even if you don't go "hard" you'll still make gains, just slower.

Oh, and if you throw on some protein powder and other soykaf, there is no reason you can't be a casual.

fuarrrk, even do some calisthenics or aerobic excersize.

Physical fitness is not the be all, and is not the supreme measure of man, but it sure is a virture.

There is also no virtue in being "swole" onto itself, however. There is virtue in endurance. There is virtue in practical strength(i.e. things you can do in the real world). There is virtue physical health. Being healthy physically helps you mentally as well.


Also, I yammer on about the body you want. Go for it. working out is like hacking. You are bending your biology to your own will. Its surely not as exotic as things like implants, but its effective, and healthy.

the concept of hacking doesn't always have to be bleeding edge.

As a hacker I seek to control the world around me. Including my own body. Customize as see fit.

You need strength, work out. Ancient, but effective.


I disagree with the use of the term "right". Otherwise spot on.

300#? Are you tall?
Start by earning your carbs.
Bodyweight exercises are almost as prevalent online as porn. What are you lacking?


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ITT: a lot of baseless speculation. Let's talk about science


"More active or higher fit individuals are capable of allocating greater attentional resources toward the environment and are able to process information more quickly. These data are suggestive that aerobic fitness enhances cognitive strategies enabling to respond effectively to an imposed challenge with a better yield in task performance. In turn, animal studies have shown that exercise has a benevolent action on health and plasticity of the nervous system. New evidence indicates that exercise exerts its effects on cognition by affecting molecular events related to the management of energy metabolism and synaptic plasticity."


Beauty for your eyes Socrates has no judgment in ethics. Let's not even get to how obscene it is to call someone without muscles weak or shameful when Socrates never became an Athenian politician. Never accrued the masses of Athens, because he was too much a little bitch. fuarrrk Socrates. He's a hypocrite. And guess what? My reasoning makes no sense whatsoever, since it depends entirely on shaming and calling him weak. I am only reciprocating his nonsense.

The words you quoted are subject to high criticism. Additionally, nowhere in this classically scientific paper is someone arguing an ethical position in the general lot of decisional options. Just specific, general health improvement. Or in other words, I would have to review a hundred papers to get a better idea of how to improve cognitive efficacy, better neural plasticity, task performance, etc. Or I could, since this hardly matters to me, stick with the "well, no fuarrrking way! sleep, exercise, diet, and psychological self-care helps me!"


I wouldn't obsess over a particular physique but it is important to constantly challenge yourself.
That's how you grow and that's also what breaks up the dull monotony of life.