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No.32764

This is turning into something straight out of SEL.

  No.32765

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Ayy

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/crime/thieves-pokemon-find-players-rob-missouri-article-1.2706417

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/teenager-finds-dead-body-river-playing-pokemon-article-1.2704983

Negative headlines aside, it gets a lot of people outside and interacting with each other. Also counters gentrification by incentivizing movement to different parts of a geographic area. Given enough time, I imagine augmented reality games will make people more social. We might even be able to incentivize things like trash removal.

  No.32768

What's SEL?

And this whole thing makes me feel sad that I don't see/feel what everybody else does. It's just a stupid mobile game. A seemingly dumbed down version of geocaching. I played Pokemon as a kid too.

I guess people really do enjoy it? I always rationalize that they're just pretending to like it and putting on a "show".. but they must really fucking like it, right? I feel old and out of touch at 26.

Like the other lain said though, this does show signs for something cool to be done with AR.

  No.32769

>>32768
Serial Experiments Lain, although the acronym can also refer to Security Enhanced Linux.

  No.32771

Everything about this game makes me sick. The whole concept, public reaction, and the way it makes people act.

Not to mention Niantic, Inc. is an internal startup at Google https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Niantic,_Inc. Basically Google figured out a way to recruit millions of unpaid workers to go out and farm their maps/street view data (now including the insides of buildings and people's houses).

  No.32773

>>32765
>a lot of people outside and interacting with each other
this kind of socialization(from OP video) is sick af

in 15 days people will forget about it and wait the next "app/series/terrorist attack everyone is talking about"

  No.32777

we are already at layer 4?

  No.32778

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>>32777
da pic

  No.32779

There's no way to get it to work on android without gapps/play services is there? sigh

  No.32781

>>32771
Why does it make you sick? Pokemon has always been a social game, if smartphones existed as they did now I'd imagine this app would exist in the 90s and possibly there would be no Gameboy at all since more people own smartphones.

And Pokemon has always had mass appeal. Personally, I find it a little irritating that people keep asking me if I play, since everyone at work is in to it.

  No.32782

Damn, I want in on Pokemon Go.
Now to find a good phone that will run it.

  No.32783

>>32768
The best pokemon games are the old ones.
Also those games don't track you.

  No.32787

>>32781
Not that lain, but there's a difference between a game being social and manipulating people into clustering at financially/[politically?] advantageous locations and disassociating from their environment.

For goodness sake, the games built off ingress which was developed while they were still a Google subsidiary and has quite the fishy reputation.

see:
http://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/googles-niantic-labs-sorry-over-death-camps-smartphone-game-n385741
Suggests death camps given approval for portal locations in the game, which given the nature of AR could result in disassociation of the environment from the historical context (much in the same manner that mobile recording/photography do).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Niantic,_Inc.
>Existing partners, marketed through the narrative of Ingress rather than direct marketing techniques, include Hint Water, Vodafone, Motorola, AXA, SoftBank, Mitsubishi UFJ Financial Group, Lawson (store) and Ito En.

>>32779
If you're the kind of person who doesn't want to use play services you're not going to want to run this application, due to the implications of guidance to specific locations, tracking and the use of video recording in those specific locations. Not to mention the developer's history with Google

  No.32788

>>32768
>What's SEL?
....how...what?

>And this whole thing makes me feel sad

Don't be sad about the future. Embrace it. Play along. Pretend you like it. Eventually you'll start to enjoy it. You'll get some cool friends and play pokemon all day. Or you can be a grouch on the sidelines. Your choice.

  No.32791

>>32788
People who endorse your being subjugated to a highly exploitable, freedom and privacy compromising system are not real friends.

The prevalence of the "Get some cool friends to play pokemon with, don't be such a downer" narrative is scary though, since I believe this is how the more lucid people will become entrapped.

I use facebook's messaging services for that very reason, somehow rationalising the use of proprietary JavaScript applications as okay since "webapps aren't real software", by which I actually mean they're inescapable unlike operating systems and native software.

Please don't contribute to the number of things people have to compromise in order to prevent social exclusion.

  No.32792

I'm not going to lie, the idea of the game seems amusing and all, but the whole "blindly walk around with GPS enabled and your camera turned on" seems way too exploitable and privacy infringing to be considered safe.
Almost seems like this is a mass data collection project or something.

Does anyone find this sudden obsession everyone has with this game really uncanny? Most people I know, even people who never played anything Pokemon-related in the past are obsessed with it now and insist on me playing it too. All of this just seems like something's ''off''.

  No.32795

Isn't this how the Cybermen got started?

  No.32796

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>This is turning into something straight out of SEL.

Makes me think more of Dennō Coil for some reason. Now if only someone would invent some display glasses. Oh wait...

  No.32797

>>32788
I'll be the grouch, thanks.

>>32791
That's how it works. You are "forced" into compliance with society or else to be outside of society. That's not to say it was designed like that. It's hard to imagine a society that isn't like that. Make your choices and remember, there are a thousand others who slip through the cracks, outside of society need not mean alone. Find some other grouches.

>>32792
>Almost seems like this is a mass data collection project or something.
Yep. It is. It's not just a mass data collection project. There's a good chance it didn't even start that way and the initial idea came from a desire to make a fun/profitable game but considering the ties to Google it's very unlikely that they're just letting all that juicy data go to waste.

>Does anyone find this sudden obsession everyone has with this game really uncanny?

Not really. Fads happen and they often happen with a good strong push from a marketing department.

  No.32798

>>32787
From what I understand, at least for this gimmick to work it does need the geolocation and all of that. Otherwise, GameFreak would have just released Sun and Moon on the iPhone and Android as well with online trades with people on 3DSes.

I don't really care myself, I try to avoid Google when I can but as it stands now, this Pokemon Go thing is just a cute and harmless app. At least in my opinion.

  No.32799

>>32797
>>32788
If you guys are referring to Oscar, even he was part of the community and was friends with all the other neighbors, but on his own terms. He had that can to hide in when he had enough of them. Sounds like the perfect arrangement to me.

  No.32800

New way to find my bullying victims.

  No.32803

I thought AR was getting ignored, its really great that booth VR and AR is getting researched.

  No.32804

>>32765
>Negative headlines aside, it gets a lot of people outside and interacting with each other.
Yeah this is really cool and tempts me to play it, but I wish someone could make an app that did the same thing and wasn't so dumb. Pokemon is for kids, y'know. And this is a dumbed-down version of Pokemon as far a I can tell.

  No.32805

>autists with cameras connected to internet going around doing recon job
I need more high power infrared LEDs

  No.32809

Straight out of Halting State

  No.32810

The game sucks. It's only living on its hype. I wish Nintendo would just an hero already.

  No.32815

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>>32804
>Pokemon is for kids, y'know. And this is a dumbed-down version of Pokemon as far a I can tell.
Agreed, though the funny thing is that there are apparently a lot of twenty something millennials playing. Pic related.

>>32805
>I need more high power infrared LEDs
Saw a picture recently of a guy wearing highly reflective clothing that reflected light into the IR spectrum - the extreme contrast between his face and the high vis clothing he was wearing made his facial features indistinguishable. I'd imagine that materials used for high-vis PPE would do the job.

Something strange I noticed in OP's pic is how masses of people staring at their smartphone move as a crowd - they resemble a school of fish, the way they slow down and speed up together as a group. Can't wait till AR headsets become a thing.

  No.32817

>>32815
>wait to go until you've stopped
what

Millennials will be milked until they die.

  No.32818

>>32788
>Eventually you'll start to enjoy it
You say this like it's good.

  No.32819

>>32815
There are tons of 20+ people playing. Browsing /r/all you'll see tons of random posts about how Pokemon Go saved them from depression, addiction, a shitty marriage, etc.

It's the oddest thing. It comes off as forced and manipulative to me, these people trying to extract love from a crowd. I don't know if I'm being cynical or they are.

I guess popular fads have to be stupid otherwise they wouldn't become fads.

  No.32821

kinda a neat idea really, sorta wish i had this growing up, albiet with much more depth than this piece of shit. a shame about the tracking bullshit too.

  No.32822

Check out nindentos stock, got an insane rise.

Meanwhile i'm considering to run it in a VM with fake gps. Already checked that it's doable. Would solve all the issues (battery, mobile data cost, tracking) at the cost of killing the whole point of it.

  No.32823

>>32822
Is there any way to make money from it? Trading Pokemon?

  No.32825

>>32764
Its a half decent game. My local raydo shack is offering a 10 dollar discount if you show them your pokemon.

  No.32826

>>32823 Trading is coming later.

  No.32827

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>>32817
>Millennials will be milked until they die.

Within our lifetime free trade agreements that neglect to enforce profitable and equitable working conditions will do just that!

>>32819
>I guess popular fads have to be stupid otherwise they wouldn't become fads.

Theoretically, if you were of perfectly average intelligence on a globally measured scale, roughly 3.5 billion people would be less intelligent than you. If you're more intelligent, that number increases. Those people may spend their resources differently than you would. Institutionalized nepotism means that intelligence has very little to do with the amount of resources a person may have available to them.

This is also why you can potentially make very good coin as an app developer. You're essentially creating virtual assets in exchange for physical assets. Profitability is derived from over-valuation of the virtual assets.

  No.32830

>>32823

That would be a possible endgame. Trading is coming and automation should be possible. You could run an army of VM's farming you pokemon to sell later, the trouble is see here is it would be easy for them to spot since your connection (geoip) wouldn't match your gsp location.

Either way i believe RTM groups will engage in this. It's just another botting market like any other mmo.

  No.32831

>>32825
My local raydo shack is offering a full discount if you show your vag.

  No.32833

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>>32831

Sauce ?

  No.32834

the world turned 50% more /cyb/ after it was released

  No.32838

>>32768
>And this whole thing makes me feel sad that I don't see/feel what everybody else does.
It could always be worse. You could be a cynical as some of us and think of them as fools for trading their privacy for that, possibly even to the extent where you have problems associating with them. I don't understand why people care so much about pleasure and so little about their privacy.

  No.32843

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>>32768
>this whole thing makes me feel sad that I don't see/feel what everybody else does
You are basing this inference on a poorly encoded webm in a stealth marketing thread displaying the syncronized motion of overweight manchildren. You are why marketing rakes in money.

Anyone there is either an astro-turf man babby or there to pick up some disgusting fatties.

  No.32847

its a bunch of trash, only tools would play this. Either way though im pretty interested in how popular this has become and am eager to see other things like it in the future.

straight outta one of my animes

  No.32848

>>32765
the trouble is that any social good that comes of it - promoting community, disrupting the status quo, reclaiming our leisure time - comes delivered on a smartphone, meaning created in a chinese factory on the backs of grossly underpaid labor, with all of the other implications smartphones have in society. And while it is a free app, it comes with the understanding that whoever's using it can not only afford a smartphone (which is trivial these days) but also has access to all the mobile data this thing requires. That means they either live in an area progressive enough for free wifi, or can afford a somewhat pricey data plan.

OTOH, this goes for anything else accessed over the internet nowadays.

>>32838
because privacy is useless if you aren't going to do anything with it

  No.32851

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>>32848
>the trouble is that any social good that comes of it - promoting community, disrupting the status quo, reclaiming our leisure time - comes delivered on a smartphone, meaning created in a chinese factory on the backs of grossly underpaid labor, with all of the other implications smartphones have in society. And while it is a free app, it comes with the understanding that whoever's using it can not only afford a smartphone (which is trivial these days) but also has access to all the mobile data this thing requires. That means they either live in an area progressive enough for free wifi, or can afford a somewhat pricey data plan.

Indeed, I'm almost confidently certain that the underpaid, overworked, heavy-metal-drinking, melamine-nourished Chinese working-poor class producizens feel nothing but loving adoration and respect for the frothing millennial Pokemon master class consumizens of the West. Wonderful news that they've kindly agreed to enhance security in the South China Sea for us!

Really! It prompts the undulating gray tumor between my ears to probe needlessly into the think-void as to what could possibly be preventing them from pursuing the intimate, lukewarm embrace of a neoliberal klepresentative plutocracy!

>OTOH, this goes for anything else accessed over the internet nowadays.


Or pretty much anything containing a PCB...

  No.32852

>>32843
Why would a company astroturf on Lainchan? You have to remember that this is an extremely small chan that only has a few thousand regular users. On chans like 4chan it would make sense, but spending the money to sway opinions on a site like this would be fucking retarded.

On top of that, thinking anyone /actually/ liking a product is "astroturfing" or "shilling" is just a dumb mindset to have. People can enjoy things, chances are you enjoy things and would be happy to tell people about their pros and cons and why you purchased them. This is not "marketing" or "astroturfing", its simply called enjoying something.

  No.32853

>>32848
>because privacy is useless if you aren't going to do anything with it
But there's plenty I can do with it. There is an uncountable ammount of videogames out there that will run on smartphones without Gapps and don't require you to throw away your privacy.

  No.32854

>>32852
>Why would a company astroturf on Lainchan?
Smaller chans house individuals who posses more cultural influence than the average sludge swallower. 4chan "culture" led the mainstream in the early part of the decade and now offshoots have usurped that cultural role.

A better question is "why wouldn't they?". All it takes is a list of chans and a single person to babysit <20 threads with automated responses and a couple real ones to throw people off. Firms are paid to do this, it's a real thing.

I've asked myself that same question as my obscure chan with like 50 people was about 70% ad threads at any given time.

  No.32857

>>32787
An independent cafe near me was offering 1 dollar off of orders for anyone that dropped lures at their store.

  No.32858

Why wouldn't a company that has a generalized bot use it to advertise on even the smallest of chans? It would cost nearly nothing. I'm not the original person you were replying to, but it's entirely feasible that a 'modern' marketing agency would spread things as far as possible.

In an age where people buy plebbit accounts for hundreds of dollars, I don't expect anything to be too far out of the realm of possibility.

I don't think this thread was created with marketing in mind, but I wouldn't be surprised if there are a few shills here now. Any good agency would be at least looking at anywhere their product was mentioned.

  No.32859

>>32856
Are you the Public Relations Specialist I maintaining the thread? Muppets like yourself spend an awful lot of effort trying to discredit people who expose what you're doing.

>conspiracyfags

We don't append -fag to words here, because we're not 4chan. That's enough of an abberation for me to confirm it.

  No.32860

>>32858
meant for
>>32856

  No.32861

This next step towards main-stream ARG reminds me of the game "SPOOKS" from the novel Halting State by Charles Stross.

SPOOKS is played in the novels near future independent Scotland/ UK: "a particularly tedious LARP called SPOOKS, a real-time game in which you're acting your parts in a shadowy pan-European intelligence agency locked in a struggle for global hegemony with the forces of Chinese military intelligence, the Russian FSB, and, of course, the CIA."

Players download the game app and join the Blue Team (European Int.), and are assigned an agent number along with other fluff to immerse them in the game.

Players are contacted either by alerts on the app or via calls from "SPOOK Control", which is really just other players who have been assigned to call them.

Players are assigned missions such as delivering packages to "random" buildings and deploying bugging equipment. What the player thinks is just harmless materials meant to immerse them in the game are actually bugs that send information back to the game organizers.

It's revealed that the company that runs SPOOKS is actually a front for a pan European intelligence agency, and the players are being used to counter industrial espionage from foreign state actors.

The power of influence games have on us is already well known. With Google Ingress we already have an app that posed as a game, but used players to fulfill an ulterior motive, albeit a publicly acknowledged one. In the coming years, especially with the success of Pokemon Go, I think we'll be seeing an expansion of mobile ARG games, along with actors that will use them for "bad". Hypothetically, what if foreign hackers developed a game that used phones wifi capability to perform MITM attacks on public networks to sniff bank credentials?

  No.32862

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>>32861
Just wait until Facebook produces an ARG game so they can datamine the fuck out of everyone.

>"Take a picture of 10 people to level up!"

>Into the facial recognition database you go

  No.32864

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>>32859
>Muppets like yourself spend an awful lot of effort trying to discredit people who expose what you're doing.

They spend a lot of time. Wouldn't call it effort though, because they're not paid enough for effort. Shillposts on the internet is follow scripted narratives and have rules they won't break.

  No.32866

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Found this on /pol/.

I honestly don't know how worried about this I should be. I played Ingress for 2-3 months without knowing anything about the company that made it. Played a bit of PoGo until I realized that it was basically Ingress for kids. I get bored pretty easily.

Anyway, please explain to me like I'm 12?

  No.32867

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>>32866

Neat. Wasn't interested enough to consider looking into it myself...why is it that "conspiracies" are correct more often than not these days?

But what exactly is it that you need explained?

How this would be useful for intelligence gathering is fairly self-explanatory.

  No.32868

>>32815
>a lot of twenty something millennials playing. Pic related.
yeah, that's the eternal childhood of millennials. also why we have so many capeshit movies.

  No.32872

>>32867
>>32868
>>32866
this is pretty misrepresenting...

niantic labs was a google founded startup.
acting like it's a secret when it so obviously wasn't is kinda goofy.
google made google maps into a game, launched a company and sold it.now niantic is it's own thing.

  No.32873

>>32771
niantic has been spun off for a while now

please ``lainon,'' verify before you shitpost

>>32768
please have the shame to stop posting

  No.32874

>>32854
not knowing how to configure a spam filter isn't the same as being astroturfed, ``lainon''

or are you just THAT paranoid that you really think your shitty whateverchan install is getting astroturfed because you're have so much ``cultural influence''

here's a hint: marketing works by a funnel. you spend $N to have X% conversion and make $M per conversion. If M*X > N, you win. If not, you lose.

Do you think it makes sense to spend $20k a year or so minimum for a passable english speaker to ``shill'' on your proverbial shitty whateverchan install?

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>>32874
>Do you think it makes sense to spend $20k a year or so minimum for a passable english speaker to ``shill'' on your proverbial shitty whateverchan install?
No. That's not the model.

Firms don't specify sites and communities, they contract PR companies to do all that for them. Any company that includes chans in its target pool makes threads. There are firms that likely "specialize" with chans and sit a single person down to promote 10+ things at a time on whatever chans they operate on. It's automatized when possible and likely outsourced to a third world country, with heavy software assistance.

I also didn't own the chan(s). Threadvertisement deals are often arranged with the owners themselves.

  No.32877

>>32868
>people like movies I don't like!
>REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

the irony is you're a millennial, you're just depressed or otherwise mentally ill so you shit on everything anyone does because you're a miserable black hole of a human being

>>32866
So, In-Q-Tel is a private, nonprofit VC. The way nonprofits work is that they have a mission they're legally obligated to follow -- if they don't, they can be sued in the same way a public corporation can be for not maximizing shareholder value. So, they have a mission to support the CIA, and the CIA pays for them, but they're not obligated to do what the CIA says, which is literally the whole point of their existence. If the CIA could just be a decent VC on its own, it would do that without the legal fuckery and loss of control associated with something like this. The other side of it is that there isn't any classified information or whatever in these companies -- their portfolio companies are just developing products the IQT people expect the CIA to be able to use.

The wikipedia page is pretty alarmist. Most VC portfolios are going to mostly involve early-stage companies, and if you're not developing a dating app, you spend most of that early stage in stealth mode building out your product rather than launching early and often with your GIS software or what have you. Most of the launched companies are pretty banal, just data analysis, search, databases, etc.. Obviously useful for the CIA, but more in a sense of "we'd like to be able to shed our dependency on SQL server one day" sort of way than anything else. These startups, like most semi-successful tech startups, end up being bought by Google or Oracle or someone similar. This doesn't mean any relationship exists between the CIA and Google, beyond the obvious of course, it just means that people working **on behalf of** the CIA injected cash into a startup because they thought the CIA could use the tech.

(And tbh, if they only made 2.2mm off of google fucking earth getting sold, that should really tip you off as to how incompetent ex-CIA people are as VCs.)

If there was a nefarious intent behind Ingress, it was to develop Google Maps's understanding of footpaths. This is in their Maps product now (you can get walking directions), so they don't need something like Go or Ingress anymore -- they can just use the normal channels they have for product development.

For a bit more background, it sounds like what actually happened is that Google bought this super smart geo guy's company, milked him for his brain for a while, and in classic google character gave him more and more leeway as he got more and more bored. I guess he liked startups more than the [x] projects. Anyway, this didn't go on forever, and from what I hear Niantic was never plugged into the mainstream Google infrastructure anyway. The whole point of the Alphabet restructuring was to make it explicit what companies had access to Google assets, so if you have an internal startup not using the infrastructure, it doesn't really make sense to have them pay for it (effectively, in tax). Also, if Google and Nintendo negotiate a contract and Nintendo thinks there's a breach in it, they can sue Google; if ``Niantic Inc.'' (a mostly-Google owned subsidiary) breaches that contract, the damage to Google is much less.

Reality is always more boring than conspiracy theories; in reality everyone just wants to make money so they can keep up their lifestyles in norcal, keep affording burning man tickets, houses in Palo Alto, etc.. The CIA spent money on Google Earth because their analysts want to use software that works and looks nice. There isn't anything else to it.

  No.32881

might start playing just to meet up with local girls tbh

  No.32882

>>32881
do it quick, in a month a few people will continue playing it

  No.32883

If there's no way for niantic or niantic marketing agency to get analytics about lainchan viral marketing, then its not being viral marketed here. Plain and simple.

I don't see a single link to an app or company owned asset ITT.

>this means that shilling Pokémon Go on lainchan is quantifiably pointless.

(Use common fucking sense... no employer would pay for someone to do work they can't prove is being done. If I'm cutting checks for shills I better be damn well sure they're shilling.)

Take a step back for a moment, maybe a couple of deep breaths. Think about the cultural relevance of Pokémon for a moment.
Now consider how inevitable augmented reality games based off of existing franchises have been. Ingress showed it was possible to gamify geocaching. Someone at Nintendo had a stroke of genius and threw Pokémon skins on ingress. Bam Nintendo is relevant in the days of iOS and Android!
The he paranoia is pretty unwarranted if you already have a smartphone. Google and Apple already have all your data anyways.

  No.32885

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http://www.popsci.com/pokemon-go-has-access-to-your-entire-google-account?

FTA:
>Anyone who signed up for Pokémon GO with a Google account (the other option, a Pokémon.com account, is unavailable right now) has perhaps unknowingly given Nintendo and developer Niantic (formerly owned by Google, but still part of Google's investment portfolio) full account access. That means they can see/edit/collect just about anything related to your Google account. Emails, photos, documents, all of your past location and search history: it can see all of this stuff, from even before you started using the app. It can also send emails as you—kind of the number one, red flag, alarm bell hacker opportunity in the digital world, aside from banking.

>It's a potentially disastrous security risk: just one hack or leak of user information would mean compromises in Google information for a group of people about as large as the number of active daily users for Twitter on Android.


>in b4 MUH CONSPIRASEAKING


BLESSED be our SKYNET OVERLORDS!

  No.32886

>>32885
OK what the actual fuck. Not a couple hours after posting about a fictional government front company run ARG, lains start posting information that potentially links a CIA investment corporation to the hottest new ARG game on the market today.

>>32861

Make no mistake lains, we are living in the period where cyberpunk ceases to become fiction and instead is our new reality. What the frak happened?

To chime in on the now derailing topic of shilling and astroturfing, I have noticed a lot of threads are getting derailed, usually by some lain posting wild accusations of shilling, and the ensuing squabble feels almost verbatim Everytime I read it. It might just be that it's summer, but it definitely feels fishy to me.

  No.32888

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>To chime in on the now derailing topic of shilling and astroturfing, I have noticed a lot of threads are getting derailed, usually by some lain posting wild accusations of shilling, and the ensuing squabble feels almost verbatim Everytime I read it. It might just be that it's summer, but it definitely feels fishy to me.

The accusations aren't "wild". In my view they're often quite accurate and obvious to anyone who's been using imageboards for a while, particularly this one as it's culturally distinct from other imageboards. It's a very well known fact that politically and economically motivated organizations are paying for shilling and astroturfing, and that it's extremely cheap (cents per post) to do so.

Good example: users who throw around baseless accusations of "conspiracy" or "paranoia" are guaranteed shills.

Great example: users not understanding references to SEL.

Ad hominem attacks, such as "the irony is you're a millennial, you're just depressed or otherwise mentally ill so you shit on everything anyone does because you're a miserable black hole of a human being" are another obvious sign of outsider shilling.

Launching personal attacks against other users is not what the core userbase of the board is about, and the rules reflect that.

Back on topic:
https://pedestrian.tv/news/arts-and-culture/surprise-pokmon-go-is-probably-a-massive-cia-surve/269365e0-0022-494a-a367-6ba4df1307c4.htm
FTA:
>As Ashley Feinberg at Gawker points out, it's just a matter of the government putting a lure somewhere where they need location or spatial data and bam. Dozens of Pikachu-loving teens will be in there in a flash, capturing the kind of visual and GPS data that the spooks need to conquer the world and run it via a puppet government.

http://blackbag.gawker.com/pokemon-go-is-a-government-surveillance-psyop-conspirac-1783461240
FTA:
>“What if that local church is a mosque they suspect of terrorist activity? And they want photos of it, or photos of the cars around it and their plates, or photos of the people coming in and out...” Meaning that, should Director Neeson need eyes somewhere, all he as to do is tell the game to stick a Pikachu in the room and some unassuming schlub will send him a photo in no time.

  No.32889

>>32886
>>32888
I have noticed the sudden derailing of threads as well. It used to get shut down pretty fast here, but now it's everywhere. I assumed it was just one angry drifter from /g/, but more paranoid options did occur to me as well.

Keep your board safe: do not engage shitposters.

  No.32890

I not sure if this chan has enough traffic to be watched by anyone important, I know that goes against basic infosec philosophy but I think its probably people sliding each other.

  No.32891

>>32888
>>32889
>do not engage shitposters.
This. We can't stop shill/trolls/etc from coming here but we can stop them from ruining what we have.

And don't be too quick to judge people. It's not unreasonable that a newer poster doesn't know what SEL is (go watch it, NOW!) and I'm kinda thinking you're paranoid if you think everyone who calls you paranoid is a guaranteeded shill.

  No.32893

>mfw my cyanogen OPO won't let me play it because it needs a google account and I've de-botnetted the phone
Life is fucking suffering, I'm getting a new phone to play this shit.

  No.32899

>>32838
Privacy is like an 5000 gallon supply of gas.
They can be tremendously valuable in specific situations, and it is wise to keep them if such a situation is expected. If no such situation happens whatsoever, they might still be of some use. But if you have no use for them and hoard them regardless, they may sooner or later blow up on you (in the forms of "I have no friends I only every talk to humans on obscure imageboards over tor ;_;" or a giant firey explosion, respectively).

I don't know whether people have any reason or not to hoard, so I won't make judgments. Just keep in mind that privacy is a tool/asset. The ideology brainwash about human rights and stuff is also a tool/asset (used by the population to manage itself).

  No.32900

https://blog.trailofbits.com/2016/07/11/why-i-didnt-catch-any-pokemon-today/

>We recently discovered that the Pokémon GO account creation process on iOS erroneously requests full access permission for the user’s Google account. However, Pokémon GO only accesses basic Google profile information (specifically, your User ID and email address) and no other Google account information is or has been accessed or collected. Once we became aware of this error, we began working on a client-side fix to request permission for only basic Google profile information, in line with the data that we actually access. Google has verified that no other information has been received or accessed by Pokémon GO or Niantic. Google will soon reduce Pokémon GO’s permission to only the basic profile data that Pokémon GO needs, and users do not need to take any actions themselves.


After Google and Niantic follow through with the actions described in their statement, this will completely resolve the issue. As best we can tell, Google plans to find the already issued tokens and “demote” them, in tandem with Niantic no longer requesting these permissions for new users.

  No.32901

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Well you guys caught me in both threads now, I'm paid by the us government and also the UK government to shill ricochet.im and Pokémon Go on lainchan dot org


Keep up the good work :^)

  No.32905

>>32834
But it's a dystopia.

  No.32908

>>32872
But that's wrong. Niantic is now indeed a company by itself (a legal entity), but it's still owned by Google/Alphabet (and partners, like Nintendo providing Pokemon name rights).

  No.32913

>>32905
a /cyb/ world is a dystopia with a lot of fun toys. Why do you think everything /cyb/ is so gloomy looking

  No.32917

File: 1468357772311.png (19.17 KB, 200x113, internet friends.jpg)

>>32899
The problem with your analogy is that a lot of software now days that infringes on your privacy goes all out about it to the point where it can end up being all or nothing at times. This game for example requires you to have Gapps installed in addition to wanting access to everything so you'll end up with multiple companies scraping information about everything you do or have done with that phone.

>"I have no friends I only every talk to humans on obscure imageboards over tor ;_;"

I can still deal with normal people so long as they aren't completely consumed by things that suck away their privacy to the point where it has a negative effect on me. Still end up being distant for other reasons. I've met a lot of people who openly talk about how they'd hurt others just to have pleasure for themselves, and continue to insist on it even when told that they wouldn't actually see any benefit just in case.

  No.32919

File: 1468360009741.png (2.99 MB, 200x112, pokemon go islam edition.webm)

>>32917
>I've met a lot of people who openly talk about how they'd hurt others just to have pleasure for themselves
How does this even come up? I like to picture some brown, lisped trendy with a fluorescent tank top looking up from pokemon go to causally discuss how he likes to fantasize about beating up women.

Radical islam sounds weirdly indistinguishable from sweaty hoards of manchildren celebrating the release of an ARG dataminer.

  No.32922

>>32919
No, unrelated to Pokemon Go. Most recent case of what I said involved a couple coworkers in their 30s and 40s going on about how they'd like to kill Muslim children (they actually specified children) in response to what happened in Florida a week after the shooting because they honestly thought that doing so would prevent future attacks.

  No.32923

File: 1468362591246.png (570.49 KB, 200x185, 1467460450718.png)

>>32922
Did you reveal that the US is already doing this for them on an hourly basis?

>what happened in Florida

Drumpf false flag. Same as the violent "mexican" protestors in San Joese.

  No.32928

File: 1468366776863.png (85.07 KB, 200x113, scratching chin.png)

>>32922
>Muslim children
This is actually a good idea. Killing Muslims is meaningless, considering how many they are. However if you kill the children the tables are turned. This is terror tactics. Such methods will not force Islam in the knees (probably quite the opposite), but it would strongly discourage "refugees" as the America/Europe they flee to will be less attractive.

I wonder if Breivik also specifically targeted younger leftists or whether he just considered striking at the grown up politicians too risky.

I think Muslim terrorism is very ineffective as I'm not afraid of them at all. Now if they started bombing kindergartens and schools I'd be worried (if I had a family (and people who matter usually have children)).

  No.32929

>>32769
So, is Lain Linux?

  No.32930

>>32928
>but it would strongly discourage "refugees" as the America/Europe they flee to will be less attractive
And into the hands of islamic extremists
Are you an idiot?

  No.32931

>>32930
Yes he is.

  No.32935

File: 1468373337936.png (2.48 MB, 200x200, Протоколы_сионских_мудрецов.epub)

>>32893
Even after you read everything in this thread, about how they are invading privacy, and using you as their mule for data gathering, you still want to play this game?

I hope you are better than that lainon...

  No.32937

>>32929
lain is plan9

  No.32944

File: 1468387494618.png (366.46 KB, 159x200, i-dont-even.png)

I laughed.

  No.32945

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  No.32946

File: 1468389697056.png (2.85 MB, 200x150, kantofalls.jpg)

There's a place in the woods that's pretty secluded that many people are starting to gather in since it's between 3 stops. It kept going from when I took the picture to well after midnight when I left. It's been dubbed "Kanto Falls".

I'm seriously considering selling things here, like cheap 18650 portable battery packs, cords, cigs, and soda.

  No.32948

>>32929
lain is love, lain is life

  No.32949

I'm gonna copy-paste a post I made elsewhere on Pokemon Go, cuz I think people here will also enjoy it judging by my last post on the Situationists:

There's a definite cyberpunk feel in the making to the whole thing, but what's most interesting to me about Pokemon Go is when I take this with reference to http://sf0.org/

It was a "game" based in San Francisco - idk how long it's been going on for but it's kind of inactive now - based on the ideas of the Situationists, particularly their conceptualizations of play and psychogeography. The "players" in the game would have an "avatar" on the website, and would complete tasks in the real world to earn points. They earned points by documenting their activities in an interesting manner, and the tasks in the game were purposely written to be open to interpretation or difficult to accomplish. The idea behind this being that people would go outside and engage with the physical space of San Francisco in a creative, artistic way through free play, and bring themselves out of the media spectacle (of video games, for example) by creating situations IRL.

I can see a similarity with the Pokemon Go app. There's been all sorts of neat stories in the news lately about people meeting friends, or finding bodies, or doing stupid shit like crossing the street without looking, or getting mugged. These are all things that people wouldn't normally do if they were just at home, sitting on their asses watching TV or playing regular video games. It's made people go outside and walk around, go to places they might not ever go to.

But, unlike SF0, this whole process is done within the confines of a multi-billion dollar media franchise, and through the technological apparatuses of Google, smartphones, and the developers code and servers. It's not really something were the player is given creative freedom, and really, they're not even engaging in free play in any sense. They're being lead around like zombies from one pokemon to the next, their physical space being colonized by the Spectacle.

I think it's a really neat idea but the circumstances of this first popular breakthrough in augmented reality are also troubling.

  No.32950

I don't like it personally but the fact that SOMETHING concerning AR has gained mass appeal makes my /cyb/ sensors tingle. However gimmicky it is... maybe it means more interesting things are to come.

  No.32951

File: 1468390910732.png (35.22 KB, 192x200, tell me about ur pokemons.jpg)

>>32946
Only fuckable one there, and I bet she's absolutely grating. Likely not worth it.

Think I'd have more fun dominating the guy with the huge bald patch. I'd shave him and fuck him with a condom pre-dipped in glue and his own fraying manbabby locks.

  No.32952

>>32923
>false flag
do you have a single
single
one
just one
maybe even a shred of a possible
fact to back that up?
or are you just looking to fit in with the "it's a CONSPIRACY" group here

  No.32954

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>>32952
>shred of a possible fact
It directly favors his campaign platform at a pivotal moment of the election. I would do it too if I was Drumpf. Has america ever been threatened by "radical islamic terrorists" when it hasn't been leveling the region in congress-bypassed invasions, proxy wars and drone strikes?

Alternatively, it was just some mentally ill retard and the media framed it with an ethnic label for whoever paid it the most.

  No.32955


  No.32957

File: 1468393720688.png (1.36 MB, 200x125, 1439415996258.png)

>>32922
How stupid. We need to ban muslims AND guns.

  No.32958

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>>32957
mother nature would argue we need to ban humanity altogether.

  No.32960

>it's just a cute game

This attitude reminds me of my own reaction to the fascist cops in Psycho-Pass using cute androids to cordon crime scenes. And in Redline, in which they're used to pacify a rebellion. And...is it such a stretch to imagine that tyranny can assume power by virtue of its cuteness? Google used to be an endearing, useful little project, and now it's the most influential tech company in the world. Facebook used to be a cool little club for college kids, and now look at it.

  No.32961

>>32958
mother nature does not care

>>32960
well, same time tamagochis were cute little gizmos, and now, they basically are cute little gizmos.

Some cute things become evil mega-corps. Some cute things just remain cute.

  No.32962

>>32960
I feel like google will stay around us for a while but facebook I doubt it. I think that newer generations will just move on to other social services and feel facebook as old-fashioned, for "old people".

  No.32968

>>32930
Who cares about extremists in the near East? It's their territory they can do what they want. Interventionism is just a form of globalism/imperialism.

  No.32970

>>32968
>Interventionism is just a form of globalism/imperialism.
That's not exactly untrue, but if fundamnetalist or nationalist militias would start running around in my country killing people as a regular non-radical citizen I wouldn't be exactly against somebody intervening. Maybe not grateful, because it's just buisness after all, but a little bit relieved that armed people around me must at least pretend to adhere to conventions and shit.

  No.32975

>>32968
but is ISIS not also not just a form of fascism?

Taking the naive "we should never have anything to do with other countries" view is very dangerous.

  No.32977

>>32970
It's not about intervening in some unrest. It's about US hegemony, because none other country intervenes as much.

  No.32978

>Pokemon Go turns into a discussion about Islam
>Radical Islam

Eh, Islam has always been radical. In fact, those more peaceful Muslims are risk of being killed by the Muslims who actually follow Mohammad's example.

And looking at Muslim nations and how they do not have the same things as say, a more Christian or Secular nation does; i.e. basic human rights, I can see why a lot of people would clam up to the idea of having a massive amount of people who follow Islam.

Please note that I'm actually talking about Islam and the governments based on it. I'm not discussing the average Muslim who likely doesn't even follow his own faith 100%.

  No.32986

When you look back to what started it the whole discussion about Muslims, terrorism and Middle East is supremely weird. We really should try to stick to Pokemons and AR. Here's an article that attempts to explain Pokemon Go appeal: http://www.bbc.com/future/story/20160711-the-psychological-tricks-behind-pokemon-gos-success

  No.32990

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>>32968
>It's their territory

  No.32995

>>32962
I'm already hearing that about FB. An iPhone in the hands of every school kid means there are already new things to fill their time. The kids don't care about FB so much.

>>32954
>retard
He may have been crazy but he was anything but a retard. There is a difference. He was methodical and intelligent in carrying out that action. Also people in the gay scene in Orlando said he was often seen skulking around the clubs. Was he confused about his sexuality or casing the joints for a good place to make his move?

  No.33002

Is there a filter in place?
>T r u m p
>Drumpf

  No.33004

>>33002
>Donald Drumpf
>Shillary Clinton
>Komrade SДИDЗЯS

  No.33005

>>33002
>>33004
Well, at least we're not biased here I guess.

  No.33009

>>33005
we're biased towards anarchy :^)

  No.33016

>>33009
>anarchy
>most authoritarian mods
sure thing fam

  No.33018

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>>32995
He was a retard because he thought shooting a bunch of gay human-capital vesicles could do anything but advance the domestic PR needs of the burger oligarchy.

Drumpf shot up the gay bar. It's a prelude of what to expect after the american public decides which sociopathic figuehead meme discouse they like the most.

  No.33019

>>33016
> changing people's words on an internet message board named for an anime character is authoritarian

"Authoritarian" would be what happened in Tiananmen Square or Auschwitz. The filters are merely stupid and annoying.

  No.33020

>>33019
>The filters are merely stupid and annoying
kinda explains the low traffic of the imageboard

  No.33021

>>33019
They stop crawlers.

  No.33022

>>33020
These new ones aren't so bad. At least they don't censor swear words anymore.

  No.33023

>>33021
uh there's other ways to do that

  No.33024

>>32853
clever, but not what I was trying to get at.
the privacy you do have comes at the cost of certain social interactions - whichever option you pick hurts you one way or the other. If you truly had a right to privacy, you would not have to make this trade in the first place.

Now your choice is to retreat into the consequences of that decision while you criticize others for not picking the same thing you did, or realize that you lost when you had to make the decision in the first place.

  No.33025

>>32792
Pokemon was a huge cultural phenomenon, but prior to this the games had a barrier to entry (buying a console). Add the AR stuff which is new and exciting to J. Public (see Snapchat filters) and add some social network buzz and you have a hit.

  No.33026

>>33025
Can confirm. I was in the mall in this shithole where I live which isn't urban or even really suburban, just somewhere in between plus there's a lot of university students nearby. In the mall last night there were people playing this game. I know because I heard a cashier spot them and make conversation about it.

They did talk about going to some of the scenic and historical places around town looking for things in the game. I don't know, if it gets video game addicts off their butts and into the fresh air that's one thing. If they are buried in their phone the whole time and not observing some of the history and natural beauty all around them, well that is their business.

  No.33027

>>32792
>Most people I know, even people who never played anything Pokemon-related in the past are obsessed with it now and insist on me playing it too
One of the many benefits of having no social network and only interacting with people on anonymous imageboards. Total insulation from moronic social media marketing-induced trends that appeal to the social heuristics of the trash end of the species. Pokemon Go reveals which of your friends are actually just a sea of heuristics that superficially resemble a human.

  No.33030

>>33027
Wow, how stuck up. Are you really gonna shit on your friends over this?

  No.33031

>>33022
>>33020
>>33023
the original goal was to keep /g/ tier content off the site - /g/ users would come, realize they couldn't say botnet anymore and leave or change their ways.

  No.33032

>>33031
Doesn't explain the censoring of "bad words". A cyberpunk board where swearing was not allowed? ha ha.

  No.33033

File: 1468443805937.png (1.28 MB, 128x128, 1468383915072.gif)

>>33030
Probably not as stuck up as the trend following meme machines "playing" the urban data mapping project who are motivated by images of pokemon on a screen and what is likely a shallow caricature of gameplay mechanics disguising an operant chamber.

Yeah, being mocked is the only way to help these poor memers.

  No.33034

>>33033
You post approximately 30 anime reaction images a day on this board alone and are complaining about "memers".

  No.33036

>>33034
Is there a necessary relationship between those two things?

  No.33043

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>>33027
>>33033
you seem make these very broad generalizations to the point where you honestly believe that you have a functional overview of the entire planet which allows you to make judgments based on one single boolean criterion. it's quite simple minded. the anime girls also fit in quite well, with all those simplistic shapes, helpful outlines and homogeneous colors to make them so easy to create and understand. you would force your gut feeling abstractions over 7 billion detailed, real life cases that you didn't bother to study or measure, because they don't translate their entire existence onto the imageboards you memepost on.

you are a beautiful creature. wanna fuck someday? we should have people like you all around, it would be tremendous fun.

  No.33046

What's up with all these edgy teenagers here? I've been meeting so many people and have been having a lot of fun with my friends while getting a workout. Please grow up, stop being so cynical, and enjoy life just a bit.

  No.33048

>>33046
You needed pokemon as an excuse to go outside and talk to people, something normal people are already capable of. OK, got it.

  No.33050

>>33043
Is this supposed to respond to content in either post?

Not all 7 billion of the meme orgiers deserve endless contempt. It's pretty impressive what you can turn a mass of people with portable cameras into with a popular brand, a couple of twitter posts and an operant conditioning chamber. Can't wait for the blatantly abusive f2p elements after it ducks media radar.

>>33046
>edgy teenagers
I'm an edgy teenager because I say pokemon go is a trash non-game that exploits a brand and harvests data for a firm that also sells data. Thanks for letting me know, I wont dare criticize in the future :^)

>enjoy life

Certainly wont be needing PG for this.

  No.33053

>>33033
The fuck, is this bait?

You are no better than people who look down on others because they don't buy the same brand as you. Because if you have this kind of emotional response to a product, I'm sorry but you're still part of the problem you whine about.

  No.33054

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>>33053

I understand your sentiment, it's just that if these people had something more compelling to do with their time they'd be doing that instead.

This is just a fad that can be replaced by other fads. At least it's a fad that generates amusing headlines.

  No.33055

>>33046
Nice non-argument that completely ignores all of the points raised in the thread. At least put some effort into rationalizing your decision.

  No.33056

>>33053
It's neither an emotional response, nor brand elitism. PG doesn't even pretend to be a game - it's literally farming and energy systems with pokemon. After the media stops caring, you'll see microtransaction are the real whale harvest.

But you know what, thank you for coming out there with your ridiculous adolecent projections of a narrative. You should feel attacked when someone doesn't like the same things you do, and you should do your best to discredit them before you're forced to feel anything other than utter complacency.

  No.33057

>>33053
>If you mock this obviously bad thing or speak up about it at all you're automatically just as bad as the people going along with it.

Evil must be opposed. Sometimes you have to take a moral stand, even over seemingly silly things. Just because something seems benign does not mean that it is.

  No.33062

>>33056
It's clearly emotional when you are taking your time and energy to judge people over something so pointless. I don't even care about Pokemon Go, but when I hear someone acting holier than everyone else for not playing a dumb app that they are not forced to play then I will call it as I see it; some rando who whines about popular things. You wanna complain about shifty top 40 music?

  No.33063

>>32787
I doubt it's some occult scheme behind it.
Stores will pay money to whoever makes the pokemon game to have enhanced spawn rate / higher rarity spawn rate near their store (I suppose this would attract mostly stores that offer food/drinks).
A pretty easy way to lure people near a store.

  No.33065

>>33062
You've still yet to make any sort of point. Nice personal attacks.

Go flock with your herd.

  No.33069

>>33065
Okay, how's this. Why complain about one app that tracks you when this is a massive issue with the whole industry? This is a result of a greater issue, not a problem.

I refuse to use PG because of its connection to Google, who I avoid as much as possible and within reason. After talking to people who do play this app, it's clear that there is an element of location tracking but if I gave a shit about that I would have stopped using cell phones a long time ago.

But hey, continue to attack people for wanting to have fun and pretending that you aren't part of a herd. All while making a big deal about a symptom and not the actual problem.

  No.33070

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>>33069
I'm saving every single one of your responses. You illustrate why these trends can go on seemingly untouched and act as an unpaid PR puppet at no benefit to yourself.

People like you buy or become socially invested in a product, idea or thing and unconciously associate criticism with it as an attack against yourself. You interpret negative information unconciously as a norm violation or socially "bad" and want to attack or marginalize whatever is issuing the critique. You do this because it's empowering - you feel like you're affirming your relation with some dominant social movement or group - and because its mentally rewarding to just shit on someone you don't unconciously percieve to be in the majority.

>it's clear that there is an element of location tracking

>making a big deal about a symptom and not the actual problem
Both have nothing to do with any criticisms aired in the thread. You don't even read what you ridicule, it's just enough to know that it's a "bad opinion".

  No.33071

>>33070
I had to stop for a second. Kinda had to think about this. I have been taking what you've been posting a little too personally.

If I truly didn't care, I wouldn't be on this thread. And basically, you are saying that even though I don't use the app, I'm socially invested?

I'm sorry for the personal attacks, I do feel that it's bad to look down at people over apps but that doesn't change the fact that I'm attacking anonymous people defending it.

All this conversation is making me see how fucking lonely I must be to argue with people about a dumb app.

I will ask you this, how much do you think loneliness factors into these trends? Because you had a point, it was emprowering to attack you and all I do in my life sadly is work and try to get my life together. I don't really socialize now since I left high school.

I kinda think being lonely is a big part of this, honestly.

  No.33072

File: 1468460902719.png (64.66 KB, 200x150, jumping_bridge.jpg)

>It promotes socialization
>It gets kids outside
>encourages community
Walking around aimlessly like zombies staring at their phones and ignoring everything else and everyone else around them.

I'm fine without phantoma. For those who feel they have no choice but to use their failbook and their pokemanz tracking device: grow a spine. Ditch your shitty friends and get better ones. Any friend who won't give you the time of day unless you follow suit doesn't deserve your time. You're posting on an anonymous imageboard. Congratulations, you're socializing without being enslaved by an application. Hell, there's this thing called hanging out IRL, people should try it some time. It costs absolutely nothing, while simultaneously fulfilling the objectives of getting out and socializing. Mind blowing, I know.

  No.33073

>>33072
last time I went to the movies, a couple + 2 kids next to me and the mother didn't see the movie for a second(scrolling facebook like a crack addict)

  No.33076

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>>32822
Short NTDOY when the microtransactions get announced.

  No.33079

>>33016
>shitposts get deleted
>REEEEEEEE MUH FREE SPEECH

I bet you're not cool enough to play Pokémon.

  No.33080

>>33032
It fostered a higher level of discussion while frustrating those who rely on potty talk to communicate.

  No.33081

>>33043
Sometimes you annoy me lain, but more than that I really like you. Thanks for being you.

  No.33082

>>33076
They've been in the game from the beginning.

  No.33091

Pokemon doesn't deserve to be an expendable smartphone app to be used for social acceptance.

  No.33094

>>33019
>Auschwitz had no filter installed in the chimney :^)

>Why should lainchan have one ?

To keep the spamming contaminants out of our boards.

  No.33095

>>32764
Hey this was at FIU..you live in miami OP? maybe i know you

  No.33096

I played a game similar to pokemon go but way better called Ghost SEED. It was way more interesting and I loved to play it although the community for the game was so small I had no competition. Check it out http://ghostseedonline.com
Unfortunately it's no longer active but screenshots and vids exist also waybackmachine

  No.33097

>>33091
the Wii U was a flop, sadly nintendo's gotta recoup their losses somehow.

  No.33098

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>>33096
Pokemon Go isn't a game.

>a game similar to pokemon go

90% of mobile games are similar to PG, because it's just farming, an energy system and some kind of social prestige system with microtransactions to introduce some form of incontestable advantage to people who pay. The designers of this game hold its players in open contempt. The entire market demo is one big industry insider joke, because people are genuinely retarded enough to exchange money to slap at their screen occassionally. No gameplay, no aesthetics, total failure from any conventional standpoint of game design. Yet commercial success because pokemon's in the title and and a bunch of brand ambassadors said it was cool on twitter and in the journals that retain them. All of the mechanics that define pokemon are out - I'm genuinely surprised there wasn't outrage.

I really want to hit these people. Kids, fine - it's a fun concept and the AR elements are exciting. But it's an insult to the franchise and intellect of any player who grew up with the games.

I am mad.

  No.33099

>>33098
Cheer up, you can trip or pickpocket pokemon go players.

  No.33104

>>33099
Oh shit I hadn't even considered the pickpocketing possibilities this shit opens up. Thank lain for distracting consumer electronics!

  No.33110

>>33098
This. An old fart from Atari was talking about how games these days suck, and he's right. They're cash extraction algorithms.

  No.33115

>>32946
I'm sorry lains, but the kids in that picture look like they're having way more fun than me right now.

If that's the consequence of playing Pokémon Go, I for one welcome our new AR overlords.

Google, the World Government or whaterver already know everything about me anyways. That's a battle I lost years ago, when my girlfriend tagged me on a FB picture for the first time.

Please forgive my poor English.

  No.33116

>>33115
you could disable people tagging you in facebook photos. you could deactivate your account. you didn't lose the battle, you're just resigned

  No.33117

>>33115
You have nothing to lose, just join them!

But really, why do people think being tagged in a Facebook picture or playing Pokemon go is some tainting experience? Are you really not cyb enough to drop off the grid when you need to?

The answer is obviously not, but that's irrelevant - it's just bitterness and depression and other mental illnesses that drive the v-style mass hate.

Is this simplistic and grindy compared to a real Pokémon game? Obviously, but this wasn't even developed by Nintendo, did you expect it to be? Is this an algorithm for cash extraction? Obviously, THAT'S WHAT CAPITALISM IS IN THE CYB WORLD. You are ALWAYS involved in a corporate profit algorithm. I should not have to break this news to you. Are people acting childish by enthusiastically enjoying something? Sure, but if you kill your inner child, you end up dead inside, and I'd so much rather just have what fun we can get from this world than be too stuck up for it.

You know what strikes me as really un-cyb? Whining. Punk and cyberpunk is about doing it yourself. Have you people shitting yourselves ever thought of one positive action you can take to get fun out of this situation? Here are a few things I thought of off the top of my head and I challenge you to contribute:

* Install an emulator and play real Pokémon. Go hang out at a pokestop or a gym and get other people to install the emulator and battle you. Everyone will have fun and the eeevul megacorps get nothing!
* Sick of the grid? Spoof the GPS on your phone. Show your friends how to do it and charge strangers to powerlevel them. Name your Pokémon after historic revolutionaries and dominate the gyms in your area. Fun activity for a LAN party.


Shouts out to the Lain who suggested selling battery packs; great idea, hope you execute and let us know how it goes.

  No.33121

>>33115
>literally handing over your data over to the Megacorps for a piece of cheap entertainment

Holy shit, if even /cyb/ is so easily tricked, how is the cyberdystopia preventable? Ah, I see: we already assume it to be unavoidable. A reason more to cram all the cyberskills and hand them over to your children so they will be successful shadowrunners or corp overlords themselves when the time truly comes.

  No.33124

>>33117
Is this satire?

  No.33125

I wish people would stop pretending the originals were great. Try playing one now that you're not in elementary school. They suck! (I tried to replay Blue a few years ago)

  No.33126

>>33125
yeah it's pretty dumb. you know, I'm a zelda guy myself

  No.33128

>>33072
>Walking around aimlessly like zombies staring at their phones and ignoring everything else and everyone else around them.
That's what I've been saying. It's as if going outside and bumming around is some kind of new thing to youth which I'm sad to begin realizing, seems to be the case.

Some of the personal stories that are on the web this week reveal other sides to this. One man said his home was next to some sort of site in the game, which means people keep stopping and lingering outside either in cars or on foot, making him wonder if the police would think his house was a drug den. Another guy was wandering around playing on his phone and slowly realized that his activity were what constituted "suspicious behavior" in the eyes of neighborhood watch or the police and decided he'd better quit.

  No.33129

>>33117
>Join the herd! Flock you disposable consumer.
I had a good laugh. If this is satire top notch anon.

  No.33132

>>33128
Also there's plenty of press releases and tweets from police forces now reporting PG related traffic incidents. I mean it's the same old problem of texting while driving / walking only in this case, the game actively encourages you to fixate on your device while moving around.

  No.33136

>>33132
>texting while driving
Seriously, did the game developers not foresee this being an issue? Or, being the cynic that I and many others probably are, they probably did and decided it didn't matter in the face of the almighty dollar.

  No.33137

>>33136
They can always say if it comes to court, this is no different than texting or using other apps where the driver or pedestrian is responsible.

I believe there was a story about a player falling off a skateboard too.

  No.33138

>>33136
>being the cynic that I and many others probably are, they probably did and decided it didn't matter in the face of the almighty dollar
Do you even know what the mobile gaming industry is? Like, do you know?

  No.33142

>>33121
What do you get out of being a recluse?

  No.33143

>>33142
What do you get by trying to shame criticism of pokemon farmville?

  No.33146

>>33143
I'm not trying to shame anyone. I'm not the one shitposting about how horrible it is that you're not playing Pokémon. If you don't want to you don't have to.

But literally what are you afraid of? Do you think that being a recluse will keep ``your data'' safe? It won't. Do you think you'll be more dangerous to the state if you don't have a Facebook? You aren't and you won't be. What do you get out of it? Is it just a phobia or an obsession?

  No.33148

>>33110
Can I have a source of the old fart from Atari talking about modern games?

  No.33154

>>33146
>It'll all be better if you just come quietly.
>just hand all of your data over, stop worrying about it.
>What are you, some sort of social retard?
Shame the nonbeliever.

  No.33155

>>33146
I'm not only worried about state actors, though to an extent avoiding certain things does keep you off automated systems. Not all, obviously. There's a difference between being unable to control a small leak and just giving your pertinent information away.

While a state actor may have the funding a sophistication to track down anything they want about me, a Romanian scammer will not be able to do so quiet as easily. Well, he won't be able to if I don't have the information wrapped in a nice package. Like a Facebook account. Or a twitter.

Beyond security and privacy though, it's a matter of principle. Some people still have them. I wouldn't feel good about coluding with Facebook for example. They stand for things I disagree with. They perform strange and cruel emotional experiments on users without notification. I'd rather have no friends than have friends because of Facebook.

  No.33158

>MMO style farming gameplay (creates addiction in low IQ person)
>pay to win (like all mobile games these days)
>no pokemon trading (THEY PROMISED RRREEEEEEEE)
>you get nice NSA app and you become a private recon autist to take pics of places

I honestly dont know where to start, this "game" is beyond shit

  No.33161


  No.33162

>>33161
Is 12:30 really the "wee-hours"? Seems a bit dramatic.

>In San Luis Obispo County, Dan De Vaul reported that his sober-living facility, Sunny Acres, had been a designated stop in the latest “Pokemon Go” craze. The facility houses released sex offenders, which was a concern for De Vaul because he said his clients can’t be around children.


Funny article. This whole thing provides tons of opportunities for criminals/marketers.

  No.33164

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>>33161
I'm going to take >>33117 's advice and take joy in the subtle tradgedies PG inflicts. I think it's genuinely hilarious that people have to deal with filthy manchildren crowding around their house cause they randomly spawned a pokestop. Can't wait for the molestations.

  No.33166

On the one hand, it's interesting to see people who wouldn't otherwise be getting exercise up and walking around to catch pokemon.

On the other hand, it looks like the only things that will get a first-world population off their couches and doing something other than checking facebook are some black people getting shot by police, and fucking pokemon. I can think of tons of useful or interesting applications of AR, but people won't get out and apply it to their environment unless they can get points for it. Oh, and unless it's a meme that's spread via mob mentality.

For me it kind of just confirms that people don't care about or don't understand technological privacy. Which is really saddening.

>>33161
>>33164
It's not even news, really. Stupid people will be stupid. Before pokemon go, people were killed by texting while driving, watching their GPS instead of the road, or by wandering into dark alleyways while looking at their phones.

Hell, in the early days of humanity, lacking awareness of your surroundings got you mauled by whatever predator was lurking about.

  No.33167

>>33166
>For me it kind of just confirms that people don't care about or don't understand technological privacy

What reason does the average citizen have to worry about it? It's all very abstract and idealistic. There have been no major scandals/leaks that would demonstrate the need for privacy. Even all the NSA stuff is out of sight. It's some gov stooge somewhere going through your stuff... maybe.

A major database like people's browsing habits/their fetishes/their "citizen score" needs to be leaked to the public or people will never care.

  No.33168

A lot of the doom and gloom ITT reminds me of the rhetoric surrounding the release of the first phone cameras. I imagine the same was true for the radio and television. Technological breakthroughs almost always draw irrational fear; fear of change, fear of what we don't understand or don't "get".

The privacy concerns are legitimate, but are being overblown. You can play the game without the camera (it's actually much easier without, so I suspect that will become the normal way of playing), and patches have already been released that take care of the whole access to everything issue. Basically, the biggest privacy concern is something that already exists if you own a smartphone, which is GPS tracking. I personally keep my phone's GPS turned off at all times, and it does make me feel uneasy when I enable it for the game. That said, I've always realized that I'm being more paranoid than pragmatic.

My dad used to play Ingress and I would always wonder what sort of data they were mining from that game, and how they would apply it. Now at least part of that answer is obvious. These guys are game developers; their goal is to make games that people enjoy, and make mad cash. I highly doubt that there's anything sinister behind it.

  No.33169

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>>33168
>I personally keep my phone's GPS turned off at all times

As long as you're using a sim card your phone is constantly using cell tower triangulation to provide your current location coordinates to your service provider who is almost guaranteed to providing cell tower dumps to various TLA's under a NSL.

Turning your GPS receiver off for "privacy" is an utterly meaningless gesture, aside from saving battery life, as your device is only capable of receiving data via GPS. You're not transmitting anything via GPS. Your device transmits your location data via the sim card in order to maximize reception and minimize power used for transmission whether you're using the GPS or not.

  No.33177

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Big meetup of idiots + 4g+gsm/gps jammer == FUN FUN FUN

  No.33178

>>32779
I have pokemon go working without google play services or gapps.

Install the preview release of Microg here
>https://microg.org/download.html
and follow these instructions
>https://github.com/microg/android_packages_apps_GmsCore/wiki/Installation
>https://github.com/microg/android_packages_apps_GmsCore/wiki/Signature-Spoofing

  No.33180

>>33155
So you think you're dumb enough for a Romanian scammer?

I don't really buy it. I also don't buy

> I wouldn't feel good about coluding with Facebook for example. They stand for things I disagree with. They perform strange and cruel emotional experiments on users without notification. I'd rather have no friends than have friends because of Facebook.


...that you're making some principled stand against A/B testing. Especially considering how quixotic and nonsensical that would be. You obviously have a computer; that was made by actual slaves, out of material mined by actual slaves. You care less about slavery than you do about informed consent in research?

Note that I'm not saying this isn't bad; obviously the world is fucked and it won't be otherwise until we dismantle hierarchical society. But part of the fucked up part is that there's no real opt out. There's no real consent. None of it is qualitatively different from any of the rest of it.

So, will having a Facebook make you a more or less effective revolutionary? I think more, because people are on it, and we can use it as a tool to at least that extent. What do you get by zealously guarding all this ``data'' that wasn't even yours to begin with?

  No.33181

>>33166
>It's not even news, really. Stupid people will be stupid. Before pokemon go, people were killed by texting while driving, watching their GPS instead of the road, or by wandering into dark alleyways while looking at their phones.
>Hell, in the early days of humanity, lacking awareness of your surroundings got you mauled by whatever predator was lurking about.

Yeah but if I get maimed crossing the street by some fat nerd piloting 1000 lbs of glass and metal because he's looking at PG and I never needed a video game as an excuse to go for a walk, where do Darwin's theories fit into all of this?

  No.33182

I think the clearest indication that there's nothing but butthurt polbots complaining about people having fun is that this thread is split 50-50 between attacking the ``manchildren'' daring to enjoy something in life, and attacking Niantic for daring to make a game that uses your physical location as a mechanic.

  No.33183

>>33182
No one is complaining about people having fun.

Listen kid, when I was your age we had bicycles and skateboards and street hockey. We didn't need a shitty datamining app as an excuse to go outside and actually talk to other people. I knew every shortcut and hiding place for blocks around. Things you won't learn about when you're stumbling around the neighborhood with an iphone in your hand like a digital pacifier.

Problem with kids these days is that they don't know what "fun" is unless someone tells them what it is first.

  No.33186

>>33183

jesus just die already

no, I won't get off your lawn, I'm not even on it, I'm just trying to catch a fucking pidgey

  No.33188

lain who suggested playing it on pc via VM. I tested it and It's running without much issues.

This is a quick list of all you need if you want to try it:
0 - BlueStacks http://www.bluestacks.com/de/index.html
1 - KingRoot https://kingroot.net/
2 - Lucky Patcher http://lucky-patcher.en.uptodown.com/android
3 - FakeGPS https://globalapk.co/apk/0/60471-fake-gps-location-spoofer-v4-6
4 - PokemonGo https://apkpure.com/pok%C3%A9mon-go/com.nianticlabs.pokemongo

1&2 are used inside bluestacks to install 3 , if you need a larger guide just google bluestack+pokemon go

  No.33189

Pokemon damage control ITT is unfortunate.

  No.33196

>>33169
That's why I said it was more paranoia than pragmatic. And that's also why people fearmongering about privacy in pokemon GO are being obtuse. The game is no more privacy breaching than walking around with a smartphone.

  No.33197

>>33167
This looks lainchan-tailored bait, but whatever

I think the fappenning was a concrete enough example of the problems with modern data privacy. Anything can be accessed eventually; the fact that the NSA has a large database of every American citizen's metadata means that someone can access that data electronically ... which means that a third party can access it if he can penetrate the NSA's security. Which, as unlikely as it sounds, is still possible.

While the fappenning was just nude photos, the NSA's collection of data, at least at one point, included the names and numbers of every person I've communicated with via phone. They likely do the same collection for email. If a leak were to happen a la fappenning, it would violate my privacy in so many ways...

So it's not really that abstract. People unfortunately just don't care. In this case, I care less about the general loss of privacy and more about the government and corporations doing things with impunity and then blaming hackers whenever these things go wrong.

>>33181
look both ways before crossing the street, then

>>33169
Wouldn't the off-pocket solve this somewhat? Of course you could be triangulated every time you pull it out and connect to a tower, but if you only use your phone for calls, they'll only know where you are when you're in the middle of a call.

  No.33198

>>33188
The only issue with this is that they'll begin banning people who are faking their GPS location. The same company runs Ingress, another ARG game like Pokemon Go, and Ingress is hardcore about banning people who GPS spoof. It will be very hard to pull off, we'll have to see what happens.

  No.33200

>>33196
>The game is no more privacy breaching than walking around with a smartphone.
Unless you're running a custom ROM without Gapps because you don't want everything you do on display for corporations to datamine. I know, I know, how dare I not want to give corporations a window to my life just to play a shitty game.

  No.33201

>>33070
I'm back to thank you. After really putting some deep thought into what you said I've improved my relationships with other people, especially with my more tech phobic grandfather as I no longer take criticism of technology personally like I have been.

I've been feeling a lot better now. I don't agree with everything you say but I'm grateful that you've gave me some perspective. Instead of defending a game I wasn't going play, I'm going to live life and experience more things. I'm gonna start with a strip club in a couple of days, I can't wait.

  No.33207

>>33200
>Unless you're running a custom ROM without Gapps because you don't want everything you do on display for corporations to datamine.

What are you talking about? The app has the same access permissions as any other popular app.

  No.33209

>>33207
>The app has the same access permissions as any other popular datamining software
FTFY, don't run datamining software.

  No.33211

>>33209
Can you elaborate on which permissions those would be?

  No.33212

>>33198

Currently it's only softbans (temporary bans and rather short ones) What happens longterm is not my concern as im already bored of it. Just wanted to test it myself.

>>33209
In this case the company is part of google, why wouldn't you trust them if you trust google implicit as you use their software? (android phones)

  No.33215

>>33212
>why wouldn't you trust them if you trust google implicit as you use their software? (android phones)
See >>33200, there's more out there for phone OSes than just stock Android and iOS.

  No.33216

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>You know what strikes me as really un-cyb? Whining. Punk and cyberpunk is about doing it yourself. Have you people shitting yourselves ever thought of one positive action you can take to get fun out of this situation? Here are a few things I thought of off the top of my head and I challenge you to contribute:

Under6ed.


>* Install an emulator and play real Pokémon. Go hang out at a pokestop or a gym and get other people to install the emulator and battle you. Everyone will have fun and the eeevul megacorps get nothing!


Doing this only highlights how time consuming and outdated the game's overall mechanics and aesthetic appeal are. If you're meeting with GO players and politely asking them to install something different and play it with you why not make it a game with a more appealing aesthetic and strategic element? Perhaps something that improves privacy rather than decreases it.

>* Sick of the grid? Spoof the GPS on your phone. Show your friends how to do it and charge strangers to powerlevel them. Name your Pokémon after historic revolutionaries and dominate the gyms in your area. Fun activity for a LAN party.


Do you think it would possible to create a game that only allows itself to be run on a disconnected/non-networked phone? The core mechanic of such a game being to locate other users actively playing it.

  No.33217

Whining is only OK when it's metawhining.

  No.33218

>>33197
>>33197
>look both ways before crossing the street, then

You don't really walk around outside much do you? Unless you live in a safe rural area. It only takes one second of some moron gunning the engine without looking to kill a pedestrian.

  No.33219

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>>33216
What if I take fun into whining and ruining others peoples fun?
For instance that 4g/gsm jammer thingy seems like a good idea, might get voltage controlled oscillator to make myself a powerful transmitter on LTE bandwith...although THOSE SHITS ARE HELLA EXPENSIVE

  No.33220

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>>33219
Yea, no,....no need for those high precision vcos ....

  No.33221

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>>33219
Contract your services to people who want to control gyms.

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  No.33225

>>32830
RTM groups?

  No.33226

>>33189
Today at Niantic
>Hey Bob, someone's saying bad stuff about us on lain chan dot org, wanna take care of it?
>Sure Frank, I'll get right on that. Can't have anything saying anything bad about us on a website that has more than 5da users, can we?
>Hah, of course not! Good looking out Bob. Make sure to post those Japanese drawings, really gets em on those sites with chan in the name.

>anyone who doesn't hate everything and live in a bucket so they can't track your poops is a shill

  No.33227

>>33200
So without compromising opsec what can you say about your operational needs for that sort of control on a 24/7 basis? Do ISIS fighters post on lainchan? Because that'd be dope.

  No.33229

>>33197
>While the fappenning was just nude photos, the NSA's collection of data, at least at one point, included the names and numbers of every person I've communicated with via phone. They likely do the same collection for email. If a leak were to happen a la fappenning, it would violate my privacy in so many ways...

And yet the NSA already has that data, or the capability to get it through at the very least compromised baseband chips. So if you carry a phone, there is literally nothing you can do on a day to day basis to prevent that sort of collection. Pokémon Go means niantic sees your location, and stores at least when you catch a Pokémon, but that's peanuts compared to the NSA.

And that's just the NSA. There are much easier ways to track location than mobile devices for the US military. I will leave this as an exercise to the reader but it isn't hard to figure out.

It's not at all comparable to the fappening either; that wasn't some massive breach of Apple, it was individual accounts being compromised. If my Pokémon Go is compromised, they can see where I catch Pokémon. I'm fine with that. And you can't do that with guessing my recovery questions, because my Google account has 2fa.

The NSA is literally never going to be compromised. Google will never be compromised. User accounts at Google might be but a large scale breach will never happen.

And again - what are you doing exactly that requires your \textbf{location data} to be confidential 24/7? Unless the answer is ``armed insurrection against a first world nation state'', you have no reason to say anything here. You're just cryptomasturbating. In which case, it really would be better for you to make some friends, catch some Pokémon, and be happy for once.

  No.33230

>>33198
This is just a way to say ``I'm not cyb enough to do this so REEEEEEEEEEE I HATE POKEMONS''

Life must suck for you, newlain. Here's some advice: it's not enough to lurk (and like any chan, you should lurk for at least a year before posting). You also have to LEARN. Go lurk >>>/λ/ for a while until you become enlightened. Then you'll realize what a pointless thread this is.

  No.33233

>>33229
The reason is mainly ethics. I'm just not OK with data collection by the nation-state I live in. Is that so much to ask?

> The NSA is literally never going to be comprised ... Google is never going to be compromised.


Apple's services were compromised in the fappenning.,, I can see that Google might have better security than Apple, but still. Though you're probably right, the possibility still exists.

It's not a matter of what I'm doing, I'm against the collection in the first place. Sure, the NSA's collection might reveal some unfortunate facts about my life. But I'm more concerned that people don't care that increasingly, every fact about their life is digitally recorded and uploaded onto the Wired. This is bad because privacy is lost. Privacy in this case is nobody ever knowing that you bought a bunch of DXM using your debit card at some point, or not knowing your girlfriend was fat, or some other shit. You get the idea. The problem is that data on the internet is very accessible, and I don't want personal facts about my life to be available to other people there.

But since people don't care, who am I to complain? And since I don't play PG, I shouldn't be ranting in this thread. ... sorry.

  No.33243

>>33227
Not that anon but you don't have to be a leet haxxor or have specific opsec needs to do something like that -- a custom ROM with all google services uninstalled and some xposed modules for granular control over permissions, isn't really that hard to set up

But as other anons have noted, all of that is just securing the "smart" bit of a smartphone; every phone in the world, to the simplest burner, has its location and metadata tracked by their telco and the NSA. Once you start carrying a phone around, it's just a matter of degrees.

The interesting part for me has been how businesses have adapted to this so quickly (for obvious reasons). Obviously it's scary and distopian, but I would have thought that's kind of where /cyb/ feels most at home ...

>>32949
I was actually thinking about the interesting ways that the dérive could be reinvented through augmented reality, so it's funny you should bring up the situationists. Of course the first breakout AR thing is so monolithic and banal -- the interesting, niche ones can only start being made after the medium itself has been popularized.

  No.33244

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>>33197
Wouldn't the off-pocket solve this somewhat? Of course you could be triangulated every time you pull it out and connect to a tower, but if you only use your phone for calls, they'll only know where you are when you're in the middle of a call.

Off-pocket type deals are a good way to prevent against low power attacks and would probably also be useful at keeping passive devices, such as a powered down phone or RFID tagged cards from being scanned at a distance but there are some caveats. First thing to keep in mind is that if your phone and radios are powered on and placed in an off-pocket where it's unable to connect to a network it's going to use a lot of its battery life transmitting in order to locate and connect to a network. A cell tower might not catch you, but someone nearby might. Same goes for bluetooth/wifi. At very least, before putting your phone away turn the radios off and power the device down to conserve battery life. From a location standpoint, if anyone were to use cell tower location data to ascertain your location they would see you at the last location you were connected to a tower (or tower mimicking device, such as a stingray).

When you take out and power on your device and radios your location is updated whether you're in a call or not so that you can receive calls. Everything that uses a SIM does this and data points (call logs, location, etc) can be correlated to individual IMEI/IMSIs, so usage patterns of one device or subscriber can be correlated to that of another. From the standpoint of TLAs and your service provider, your geographic and personal network privacy are pretty much fair game for dragnet monitoring as a condition of use. The only solution to this is to use other people's devices or landlines.

If you're okay with all of that the main thing to be concerned with is not the TLAs requesting cell tower dumps but the software running on the phone itself and what level of access the software providers have to this data.

From a technical standpoint randomizing the IMEI/IMSI would be ideal for preserving privacy, but the cell system as a whole doesn't seem to be designed to preserve or enhance privacy. If you want to communicate privately via wireless transmission, software defined radios are a good place to start your research.

  No.33245

>>33233
>Apple's services were compromised in the fappenning
No the were not - celebs were useing 12345 passwords or the same as for their e-mail. If you send me your root password, it does not mean I compromised whole Linux.

  No.33246

>>33221
Good idea fam
Through searching a little bit I already saw how some people have turfs and they control those with jammers (the idiots put them on airport), but its fucking up the aeroplane or something.

  No.33255

>>33233
>The reason is mainly ethics. I'm just not OK with data collection by the nation-state I live in. Is that so much to ask?

Obviously not, but you can't change the world by stubbornly pretending a different world exists. Your data isn't yours. Your location is being tracked, 24/7, and there's nothing you can do about it except smashing the state.

In the meantime, if you're competent, you can in fact choose when your data is being collected. But it's much more fun, in the cyb world, to live a mix of on and off grid rather than totally in the sticks. You can do it, sure, but modernity is pretty schway.

  No.33264

>>33255
>our location is being tracked, 24/7

not if you don't bring your cell phone with you.

  No.33270

>>33264
Sure, but I usually want to have my cell phone, so playing pokemon go on the way to the bus stop is fun and doesn't lose any additional privacy.

  No.33272

>>33264
Even without a smartphone, we do have a lot of surveillance. Someone who is stalking you could take advantage of the fact a lot of businesses have cameras. Some social engineering could be applied here to get a good idea of your habits and after seeing sites that allow you to see hacked cameras, you could just hack a camera of a place your victim frequents.

Maybe you could follow someone's money trail and get a good idea of where someone is. My bank statements will often say which location I used my debit card at.

Now, these methods are far less precise unless you combine these with a possible Facebook account but let's not pretend phones are the only way to spy.

And a crazy stalker for most people is a lot scarier than a business with questionable practices.

  No.33274

>>32861
Do you have a PDF of that book?

  No.33277

>>33274
No, sorry, but there are free epubs online if you just Google them.

  No.33295

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>>33272
>Someone who is stalking you could take advantage of the fact a lot of businesses have cameras

Just want to mention that the amount of HD footage a business filming its premises 24/7 can afford to store is limited, and the less storage capacity they have the more likely it is they're constantly overwriting old footage with new footage. The person stalking you would not only need to have direct access to that footage but also knowledge of when you appear in that footage.

The average business would be most interested in filming their own employees to prevent internal theft, so the average employee isn't going to have access to that footage. You'd basically have to be being stalked by a their security guy for this to be a plausible scenario.

The most likely scenario for that would be you working for the company employing the theoretical stalker-security-guy. If you think you're working for this guy you should probably bring it up with his supervisor or change employers.

  No.33296

>>33227
Just someone who wants to be left alone and thinks of the companies doing this are like the piece of shit neighbor I had in the past who wouldn't stay out of everyone else's buisness and would actively try to listen in on conversations through closed doors.

  No.33303

>>33295
Point taken, stalking is a lot different from the shit that companies like Google do. I suppose a more plausible thing would be to have a camera placed in a hidden spot in a public area, then use the footage sent to your computer (or maybe you could put it in a store you go to often and take the SD card out or whatever) and use that footage for potential victims of theft. Still kinda unrealistic since as a retail employee, I know to check product and remove stuff that isn't supposed to be there and if you see some dude going to the same aisle everytime, it would get weird, unless you know such and such is always buying this and that product.

  No.33307

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>>33303
>Point taken, stalking is a lot different from the shit that companies like Google do.
Actually... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stalking
>Stalking is unwanted or obsessive attention by an individual or group towards another person. Stalking behaviors are related to harassment and intimidation and may include following the victim in person or monitoring them.

I wouldn't say the activity is different so much as the 'monetary justification' behind the activity. In other words, if what you're doing is providing monetary gain for shareholders or preventing monetary loss, it's fair game and totally not stalking at all!

>I suppose a more plausible thing would be to have a camera placed in a hidden spot in a public area, then use the footage sent to your computer (or maybe you could put it in a store you go to often and take the SD card out or whatever) and use that footage for potential victims of theft. Still kinda unrealistic since as a retail employee, I know to check product and remove stuff that isn't supposed to be there and if you see some dude going to the same aisle everytime, it would get weird, unless you know such and such is always buying this and that product.


Somewhat more plausible would be temporarily hiding several easily concealed battery-powered cams with wireless streaming capabilities in a location frequented by the target and streaming the footage to a nearby UNMARKED UTILITY VAN loaded solar power generators, battery backup and a hard drive bank with several monitors running while actively monitoring the scene for your target's activity.

Of course if you're unknown to your target and your target doesn't suspect that they're under surveillance this could all be done using wearable tech.

The point is that if someone wants to stalk you they would first need to have a reason to want to stalk you in the first place. Stalking doesn't happen by chance.

  No.33316

>>32819
> It comes off as forced and manipulative to me, these people trying to extract love from a crowd. I don't know if I'm being cynical or they are.
I'm gonna say you're being cynical, Lain. Plenty of normal people enjoy relating positive experiences to one another. Just because Pokemon Go potentially has a dark side (which most of these people probably don't even comprehend) doesn't mean they're all emotional vampires. Personally I like hearing stories of good things happening to remind me there's more to the world than bad things and problems that need to be solved. Keeps me balanced.

  No.33322

>>32838
>I don't understand why people care so much about pleasure
this little thing called the Limbic System is why
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Limbic_system
In fact, this probably controls why you're so concerned with privacy. You value privacy so this part of your brain rewards you when you preserve your privacy.
Not that there's anything wrong with that of course, but my point is most people don't connect erosion of privacy with bad things unless they're the victims of a doxxing, and even then it's not enough to get most people to go full /fucko/ or whatever.
So the downside here is that Niantic is datamining heaps of people all over the world, but there's something unrelated that I've noticed happening. If you're not aware, there's been a trend of popular youtubers being hacked by "hacking groups" and individuals going by frankly stupid aliases like Towel or Poodle Corp, and to the surprise of cynical /cyb/ folk everywhere some of them are taking meaningful steps towards being more secure, since even two factor auth didn't protect against this attack:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=caVEiitI2vg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q00OZ_Xk24w

So basically, current events/fads can work both ways. Popular people with lots of eyeballs on their videos, people who are entertainers looking out for their fans are saying things security pros have been saying for a while now. The important stuff is trickling down to non technical people, which means plenty of other good things like free software (or whatever your pet issue is) can and will as well. I predict a post-/cyb/ future for developed nations rather than full /cyb/.

  No.33323

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>>33274
I got you

  No.33329

File: 1468734535556.png (3.44 MB, 200x113, ubuntu-destroyed-my-life.webm)

>>33323

Thank you, based Lain.

  No.33338

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>>32804
Ingress? It's the original game the PG devs are working on.

  No.33339

>>32787
can you explain what exact danger you are darkly hinting at? how is this technology making it any easier for the Grand Reptillian Conspiracy to make people "disassociate"?

like... i don't exclude the possibility that the app is being used to spy on me, and i understand that i should be concerned about that because of slippery slope stuff, but it sounds like you are suggesting the app itself is harmful.

plenty of games are more simplistic than pokemon go. just bc you guys don't like it doesn't mean it's illuminati

  No.33340

>>32768
>What's SEL?
Uhm. Ahem. What the fuck?

  No.33341

>>32833
Sauce on grill in webm? Show?

  No.33342

File: 1468752833928.png (1.44 MB, 200x113, (((((‭‮))))).jpg)

>>33207
>The app has the same access permissions as any other popular app.

That's right, young adultists, don't throw away your valuable, proprietary transmission-mates! Your transmission-mate is Popular! The Apps just Keep On Coming! If it's Popular, it's Okay!

  No.33344

>>33243
I'd been thinking similarly about the possibilities for AR with something more open and community-driven, similar to sf0 but with the use of AR.

I won't deny that there are some dérive-esque elements to Pokemon Go, especially if you're not the type of person who plays with their face glued to the screen constantly and literally lets themselves been pulled around like a zombie or a crack addict going from one pokemon to the next. But no matter how you spin it, Pokemon Go ultimately cannot be freely engaging with the city; it's very much a mutation of the spectacle, and a dangerous one at that because it opens up the possibilities for colonizing even further any possible freedom we can have in late capitalism.

But the cool community-driven alternatives are only limited by our imaginations. One thing I had thought of that would be neat would be something like Pokemon Go that combines AR with urban exploration into a game. You earn points by mapping the abandoned buildings in your area, and the harder they are to get into, the more points you earn if you map them.

  No.33347

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>>33344
>and a dangerous one at that because it opens up the possibilities for colonizing even further any possible freedom we can have in late capitalism.

Here's why you're going to draw in the shills.

For them, it's all about how they're allowed to 'redefine' freedom from a legal perspective. You've been tacitly agreeing to the arrangement as a condition of your participation. It's not about your legal definition of freedom. It's about theirs.

  No.33349

>>33344
I agree with you that Pokemon Go itself is a pretty awful app as far as meaningful experience goes. Maybe it has something to do with it still being an individual experience? What you're describing sounds like some sort of urbex game, which would be amazing. I feel like it would also be much more engaging if there was some sort of "consesus virtuality" that everyone could see and anyone could add to ... something like virtual, interactive geocaching.

  No.33351

The pokemon locations are based on an algorithm of cellphone usage -which is why walmart has more pokemon than your local forest and it's the same reason big towns have much more than small ones.

So the claim of "getting outside" is pretty fucked unless you consider hanging arround your local town shops a good idea. The game essentially motivates people to stay rather in town than go outside and enjoy nature.

  No.33352

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>>33349

Rather than using centralized networks for this, it could be done from a purely virtual standpoint using a relative virtual locations rather than real ones. You would travel 'x' amount of distance in any physical direction, even a small loop if one were so inclined, and you would reach a virtual destination.

The pattern of movement relative to base stations set up by the players themselves would come to define the virtual environment.

  No.33355

>>33352
That would probably be better than strict coordinate systems, too, because it could take in to account altitude and other finer details. I was also thinking about "base stations" which could act as nodes in a distributed network. But even using the cheapest wi-fi SBC I can think of (orange pi lite) and a solar charger, it's going to be at least $30 each.

But the reasons I was thinking about base stations wasn't related to location-mapping, but content-mapping. For example, it could maintain a record of all the changes made to the virtual space it can reach. It would be up to the person who made that virtual graffiti or whatever to host the content itself, the base station would just give others a reliable record of what it is and where it's located.

  No.33356

>>33355

Imo it would be easier to preload data associated vaguely with an area

Of course the goodies would be encrypted so nobody could get them without actually finding the spot

A robust computer vision algorithm (sift?) would produce a key for a location through the camera- this is your authentication to confirm you found the spot

The encrypted goodies could also contain keys needed to unlock other locations so you could send people on a long treasure hunt

  No.33358

>>33356
found the newlain who hasn't lurked >>>/λ/

  No.33359

>>33358
i'm way beyond new to coding, though to be honest it's now ~6 years ago and i might be a bit rusty in terms of computer vision. Doing data analysis instead nowadays. Either way using robust feature detector to generate a key seems entirely feasible to me.

  No.33370

>>33351
Good enough, I don't want to meet pokemon retards when I go hiking

  No.33407

>>33125
I had a great time replaying Blue a few years ago, although whether I would if it weren't for nostalgia I can't say.
Then again, I mostly play 8-bit games anyway.

  No.33515

>>33188
this aint niantics first rodeo mate, back in ingress they perma banned people that where doing fake gps. People are only getting temp banned for now because of server overloading issues which is priority atm.

  No.34039

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I'm just going to leave this here.............

  No.34041

This is actually straight up Dennou Coil/Digimon Tamers pal

  No.34047

>>34039
Yvan eht nioj.

  No.34048

>>34039
>>34047
Seriously though, what the fuck?

  No.34064

>>34039

Military recruiters are some of the most shameless pieces of shit on this earth. They will say anything, do anything to get bodies in the door.

  No.34066

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>>34039
Anyone who is appealed to by shit like this should be cleansed from this earth, and thus in the military.

  No.34070

>>34047
>>34048
>>34064
>>34066
Quite sure this is fake, and probably inspired by soldiers and sailors posting that they have been successfully playing the game in unexpected places around the world. Even the Navy can't use a registered trademark like that without a deal.

  No.34083

>>34070
What if the Navy funded Pokemon GO development in the first place? That's a nice deal right there

  No.34084

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>>34039
This can't be real. This has to be the work of some clever teenager or really bored grown man or woman. I'm having a hard time believing that the Navy is pulling this. What's next? Sign up for food stamps and get a Mewtwo? Apply for Home Depot and get a shiny Pidgey? This is just too stupid to be real.

  No.34087

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>>34083
Really feels like it was deployed as a social experiment to pacify the growing racial and ethnic divisiveness. Or just massively divert people's attention at a grand scale.

  No.34088

>>34087
Depends, do you mean a possible pacifier for all of the tension between groups like BlackLivesMatter and the Alt-Right groups online?

  No.34111

>>34084
I got it from this guy who goes to bootcamp. Wouldn't be surprised if the sergeants there posted this, as if most people there won't already planning on joining the army in the first place

  No.34112

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>>34039
After seeing TopGun this doesn't seem so ridiculous actually

  No.34119

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>Voluntarily being datamined
Dropped

  No.34132

>>32764
Actually it reminded me of the virtual reality GPS installation art from Gibson's Blue Ant trilogy.

  No.34134

Or maybe what Hubertus Bigend would have made of the technology if he owned it.

  No.34169

>>34111
Someone in the service made it to make fun of either their fellows or their subordinates playing with kid stuff garbage in their off time. This is obvious. I can't believe anyone is taking it as more than a joke though. I guess Lains aren't as sharp as I thought.

(In looking this up I found some amusing articles suggesting that the Royal Navy was losing sailors due to banning FB on submarines. Off topic, I know).

  No.34170

>>34169
Even if it's a joke, it's just so out in left field that it feels like some joke in GTA. Especially with the response to Pokemon Go either being very, very negative or very, very positive.

And sometimes, it's hard to tell a joke from a legit event anymore.

  No.34171

>>34170
It's become an Abbie Hoffman level prank at this point with the way people are talking about it, though I doubt the original pranksters had any idea how far it would spread. If the USN had a deal with Nintendo, trust me, we would have heard.

  No.34180

>>34171
The navy doesn't have a deal with Nintendo and if you joined the Navy to play fucking Pokemon you'd be in for a harsh surprise the first time you whipped your smartphone out on deck. Do ships even have wifi? (I doubt it.)

  No.34202

File: 1469628373404.png (647.43 KB, 200x152, lain29.png)

>>34180
>Do ships even have wifi?
Yes I have been on a ship owned by a relative that had wifi, albeit not the fastest. This was several years ago however.
https://www.gizmodo.com.au/2012/05/in-depth-us-navy-fitting-ships-with-4g-networks/ A quick search yielded this regarding the navy

  No.34249

>>34180
> The navy doesn't have a deal with Nintendo
That's what I've been saying since that pic was posted.

> Do ships even have wifi?

You don't spend every single day of your tour living on a ship, you know.

  No.34251

>>34249
Personally I think this is just a scumbag recruiter trying to lure people in with whatever they can.

  No.35516

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Getting real tired of being asked if I play and having to conceal my paranoid autism.