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Has anyone any experience of this? What do you think of it? What kind of people are they suited for?


Depends on the space; hackerspaces are defined by the people who make them. In my city there's a space that specializes in woodshop, welding and 3-d printing; in another they primarily do nothing but web dev soykaf.

It can be a shitshow. All the 'good' hackerspaces are loosely defined collectives of tech-savvy folks; like the ones you see in Spain or Germany. "Makerspaces" are a pretty recent phenomenon that amounts to normie-tier going-ons. From the ones I've been to they're like babby's first hackerspace.


There was already a thread about this, but I can't find it. Maybe it was deleted already.


i would like to go, but, There are none near me.


I see.


In the city I live in there is only one, maybe two, but they don't seem to do advanced stuff, the people in there seem to join mostly for the social aspects of it. I don't see what could I do there I can't do it in my home (except for 3D printing), even I have better equipment and component bins and I'm just a hobbyist.
This, along with the "everyone can be included" policy seems to attract the most normie-tier people in the field and people with no previous experience, usually watering down the experience for more advanced diyers.
It seems the "diy" spirit is no longer about making things by your own, but rather to assemble prebuilt components and modules into something functional to give you a synthetic impression of accomplishment.
Also, makerspaces in the US seem to be too artsy and filled with bull soykaf .

I was thinking maybe I could start one as a business and fill it with those kind of people, just buy a dozen arduinos, a 3D printer, some tools and some components and you're good to go. Here almos nobody has heard of them, I'm pretty sure they will become popular at some point in the future.



I had the exact same idea... I'm moving somewhere on the west coast next year. I'd like to set something up there.

I'll tell people here ofc.

My experiences with maker/hacker spaces in my city has been terrible. It's all this thirst surrounding startups... people view it as a giant networking opportunity.


I dropped by the one in my town, tucked away in the basement under a shopping plaza. From what I saw, the local focus was hardware, though I saw a whiteboard with a schedule of workshops for programming and webdev. I feel like I could learn a thing or two there, but there's a membership fee and I'm too busy with my last few semesters of university to spend enough time to be worth the money. Do hackerspaces usually have a sub fee?


That sounds like a fun hackerspace! They should let in a 1337 one like you with no membership fee.

Sub fee? I know that a decent amount of them give university students a discounted membership price.


A fee is pretty normal. They have to pay rent and electricity.


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>They should let in a 1337 one like you with no membership fee


But yeah there is a discounted student price. I may try it out if I survive this semester.



This looks great!


My town has a "makerspace" at the local library, which is just a couple of "events" such as 3d printing or some soykaf a month. Its cancer.


That's a get
Keep it up, proud of you


It is all about the people who inhabit the space but my space has struck the perfect balance. We do all types of projects from automotive, to chemistry, to hardware and software. Hopefully you find one that fits you.


>like the ones you see in Spain or Germany
Where in Spain? I know just about one in Zaragoza, but I haven't seen any other active hackerspace.


There is a hackerbase in Spain additionally have you checked hackerspaces.org?


The hackerbase is at canary islands, and I can't afford going there, even if they're part of Spain, they're in Africa. And most hackerspaces in my area are dead


If anyone's interested, /cyb/ are talking about renting a place.


None in my town, but there are some close by. Three, in fact, spread across larger neighboring towns. They seem to be co-affiliated, my town's just a glorified gas station between them. From what I've seen and heard, they're well equipped for whatever you want to work on.

I like the concept, if you want to work on stuff but don't have a good space to use as a workshop, it could come in handy. I'm splitting a tiny apartment, so if there was a closer branch, I'd probably have joined by now. Sure, I can fiddle with small electronics projects, but there's tons of shit I just can't do here.

There's also the social aspect to it, as well. What better way to meet people who share your hobbies than to practice those hobbies in public? If you're a novice, you can get advice from people with experience. If you're advanced, you can help others, if you're so inclined.

That being said, if you have space for a workshop/don't need the space in the first place, and you aren't interested in sharing knowledge/experience or meeting new people, then I'd imagine a makerspace probably has nothing for you.


Because of this thread I looked up some in my area but only found one. It has a lot of things in it, the usual electronics/soldering stuff but also cnc machines and welding equipment.

Has all sorts of classes. I may visit in the future, but for now I'm too much of a beginner to really get much out of them IMO and will probably learn better and faster doing things on my own as I am doing now with less expense. At least my equipment will be mine. Plus it's a bit of cash that I can use elsewhere since I'm in my final year of college and just quit my job.

Interesting concept though, if I ever get to a level in my electronics and programming where I feel comfortable I'll definitely go.


I co-founded one in my city few years ago. Electronics, 3D-printing, social gatherings, etc. We got pretty nice broken laser cutter and got it working.


the people that go to mine generally range from mildly autistic to normie, but the tool-sharing aspect is very helpful. i generally avoid the other people. not to say they aren't nice, and some of the classes are useful


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there was a thread about this already.

btw, I hope you find one that isn't, but here they all became brony-infested lately, just be aware of that.

I stopped going to the local one because of that, it became unbearable.


Really depends on the space. I've been to the c-base in Berlin and it's as /cyb/ as can be, but the regulars are super autistic. Pretty much cliche hackers. So it's really interesting, but hard to get into. They often host semi-normie events, though, which can give you an entry point.

The 'maker' movement / 'maker spaces' on the other hand, are easy to get into because they are all circle jerks congratulating each other on following a tutorial on how to make an LED blink with an Arduino.


I love hackerspaces as a way to hang with fellow tiling window manager enthusiasts and swap configs for xmonad.

Main criticism is that they are ironically fairly hardware/meatspace oriented. Last time I was at one I suggested putting up an internal web service of some sort to entertain visitors I was scoffed at. Suggest making a simple shape with a laser mill, all the help in the world.

Weirdly the (h)acker movement of DIY hardware people has a certain antipathy toward the (H)acker movement of software security, which is sad if you ask me. Some spaces aren't quite that way, but the closest you normally get to hackers are hardcore freesoftware/tor enthusiasts at most places.

That said I love the community, and at most spots I tend to spend the night talking more than actually hacking. Which is good.

Be prepared:
* For people to try and suggest 3D printing to you.
* To see people using CNC for lots of stuff
* Shop tools.
* For fuck sake another LED matrix. Cmon really?
* OK maybe the led's are cool.
* Someone is soldering together one of those kits from radioshack.
* That crazy guy hooked up to mains trying to make a home brew reflow station.
* Some A-hole trying to "network"
* Normie significant others.
* attitude
* mild elitism
* craft beer
* balsa
* Arduinos, and if you're lucky some big boy pants microcontrollers.
* Did I mention LED lights?
* Nixie tubes.
* Adderall
* Thai food.
* Intense elitism.
* Intense derping.
* Some guy trying to crash there.
* Questionable air conditioning.
* That stuff in the bucket, that might be acid. Or maybe antifreeze? Don't touch it.
* Someone's retro-computing project.
* The guts of thinkpad or three.
* A hard drive mounted on a wall.
* some kind of overly ambitious group project.
* not enough batteries
* Decent soldering stations.
* Someone talking about their damn thesis.
* Someone recruiting for their job.
* chip tunes music
* But usually not demoscene
* hacker art of some kind.
* not enough ventilation.
* a lecture about hackers versus crackers.
* people pretending to work on projects while actually derping on facebook and talking tech.

In short, hackerspaces are wonderful. Go now, I am serious. Go!


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At the risk of coming off like an RMSism, I wouldn't lump hackerspaces and makerspaces into the same category. They have entirely different goals and ethics. The only simularity is the sharing of tools and knowledge in a physical space.

Hackerspaces follow the Hacker Ethic:

Hackerspaces are interested in projects, not products.

FOSS is a requirement, not an option.

Makerspaces is a term coined by MAKE magazine to gentrify the hackerspace community by encouraging that you don't need to be a 'scary hacker' and you don't need to follow the hacker ethic.

Makerspaces are generally about making money and creating tech startups.

Makerspaces generally don't care about FOSS, just $.


Reading this thread I feel like hackerspaces are not for me. I don't particularly love hardware, know enough about foss, or like talking to people. I like the idea of going to one but it would be a waste.
Also the idea of getting stuck with the kind of insufferable cunt who unironically thinks apple magic mice are good is more than I can bare.


I opened a little makerspace with two friends in 2013. We mainly focus on electronics (microcontollers, PLCs, PCBs...), IT (C# and Python programming) and art (paintings, woodwork etc). We started in 3, now we're 15. The space is in a rural area, a very small italian town, and it's property of the Roman Church, that lets us use it. We usually meet two evenings a week plus many weekends. AMA


> getting stuck with
you won't be
you can just brush them off usually
or if you are actually using the space for your projects, and you only go during the non-event hours, there will be very few people at all, and the few who are there will be the more chill of the group.


Italy where? If you are somewhat near Venice you should:
1- Come to this event next week: https://www.endsummercamp.org/
2- Drop by our hacklab here: http://mes3hacklab.org/


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I have nothing constructive to add here but your list made me giggle a lot.




It's a cool deal, but can vary a lot.

In my city we had a really great space that grew out of a closet in an artist collective--they basically had to leave when A) membership grew too high and B) they set fire to the place.

So, for a while they lived in a cozy little warehouse in a slowly-revitalizing industrial district; place with equal parts raves, lofts, and crackhouses. The membership was artists and burners and weirdos and hackers and hippies and it was great.

Then, the founders brought in a trustfund kid with the mandate to "Grow or die", and that's exactly what he did. He grew membership, threw more normal/open events, and spearheaded a move to a "larger" space.

The buildout at the larger space drove off a lot of the old members, because if you weren't somebody who could take time off of work or were just not scheduled because they didn't like you or were just too broke to play Builder Bob with them they made fun of you on the space listserve.

When they finally got a space, the contingent of hackers and developers had trouble getting room earmarked--even though there was plenty of space for the rich middle-aged autist manchildren to spread out the soykaf from their garage and keep people away.

We had a multi-rack Transmeta server blade setup, and a friend had recruited maybe a half-dozen admins from the hosting company they worked at to refurbish it and get it running. They left after he was harassed and abused by the pricks that had taken over.

After that, it was pretty obvious that only normal people, kids of normal people, and rich middle/upper class engineers were welcome. The burners left, the hippies left, the hackers left.

fuarrrk that place.


There was one nearby but it closed down due to lack of funding. Mostly greybeards ranting about the newest alt-coin.


Sad story ;_;

Perhaps you could start your own or find another?


Why not improve it then?


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Vancouver?? I never heard about a trust fund kid but the exact same arc happened there.


Im currently stuck out in the middle of nowhere, but there is one about 40 miles away from me... but they look kindof boring.



Can Italian hackers speak English? I'm asking because I'm not too familiar with southern European life. Spain I've heard is nationally not very proficient at English but I'm wondering if different with younger generations, especially circling the hacker milieu.


Jesus, lainon, this is a totally rhetorical question but what Missouri shithole are you stuck in if you're 40 miles out of Columbia? CGW is in a perpetual state of being half-off the ground, half-on the ground in pieces, though I hear they're getting their shit together as part of a larger DIY space with local workshop people.

If you're closer to St. Louis, Arch Reactor is really nice, even if the some of the people seem to be weirdly standoffish and a lot of the learning opportunities are very (and I mean very) beginner-focused. The location and facility are both great.

If you're closer to KC, I don't know what to tell you. I'm not familiar with the scene in that part of the state, but given the absolutely massive punk community up there, there are probably plenty of roughshod, improv makerspaces that were put together with no concern for safety or sanity and are poorly advertised since it's an in-the-know kinda deal.


Whell, somewhat. I mean, I can, another frend can, another friend can speak like 5 languages (but he's not Italian) and another one understands it but speaks it rather horribly.

In my experience, you can't expect young italians to actually speak English very well.


im so jealous... i dream of being sponsored by roman church in any way.. find it very cyb/art


So I take it the van hacker space isn't worth going to?


Any group projects you've worked on?
How are the people there?


In italy there are still a lot of people who don't speak english (i know some old people who don't even speak italian but only pidgins), but usually tech/movies/videogames/books enthusiasts can speak english, because there aren't many things translated in italian


I heard sudoroom was soykaf, and also just moved out of Oakland. did you end up going, lainanon?


If you're still in the area I would suggest NoiseBridge in SF.


Went to one for a tester but I have no money and it's difficult to be let in by paying less without others knowing and 0 contacts in the space. I'm feeling to change my look and go for the tester again to ask for a discount or get in for free,


what about all the crapfest and "inclusivity" which caused problems a few years ago?
saw that their mailing list was silent on drama-matters

did they move it off the ML to meatspace or have they done something to stop bums from screwing things up for everyone else