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No.10562

There are no more movie stores in my town besides a Wal-Mart. I loved being able to go to the video store, order something and have it in my hands. It belonged to me and I really loved that. I could take a CD or DVD home and rip it or share it with anyone.

Now, It's increasingly difficult to find media I want and still buy it anonymously. I hate Amazon and music services like Spotify who control users and don't let them own the media they paid money for.
Do any other Lains feel this way?

  No.10564

Yeah, the experience is just not the same. Owning a giant vinyl record feels like you own a piece of that artist, but digital music is infinite and naturally supports the "listen and move on" aspect. Plus there's a certain charm to enjoying things without a PC. It all feels more personal.

  No.10569

I like psychical media but its a dying concept and its only going to die more from here. Its comfortable but we're moving into a more sterile sort of lifestyle. You can have things but you don't own them, you only have the right to use it that you paid for. I don't know the whole thing bothers me a bit.

  No.10570

I feel the same way you do. I'm a very physically oriented person. People like us don't belong in the future.

  No.10571

I've noticed some interesting interactions with people now that physical media is on the way out. someone in a friends photography class wanted to use an old instant film camera for their project. the professor couldn't figure out why they would go through the hassle when they can just shoot digital and photoshop it. The kid probably wasn't even old enough to really remember instant cameras that well, and the professor used to be a professional photographer. Digital is easy and simple to the veteran, and physical is something special to the young person.

I myself have been collecting vinyl records, tapes, and VHS. also got real excited when i found a working VHS camcorder at a thrift store. I love that thing, its so huge.

  No.10572

I don't give a single solitary fuarrrk whether it's physical media that I bought in a store and can hold in my hands, or something that's just on a computer I own and came through a network.
I do care however for it to be resilient towards the future; that is no matter how the future happens, it should still be accessible to me after perhaps decades of total negligence. In certain use-cases physical media does this well, as nobody really knows you have it, or has legal grounds to take it. However they require space and transportation when you move, disks rot, break, or become obsolete and finding equipment to play them may become difficult.
Having stuff on cloud storage or a VPS alleviates some of these problems, but it's easier to lose access or have them all deleted. I wonder if certain media formats becoming obsolete could be a problem, but I suppose you could just use formats that have open source tools to handle them, and just keep a copy of the source code with the stuff. It's also becoming harder for pirates to hide the booty on the wired.
The subscription based thing that has been going on for some time now seems to be flawed in design for the purpose I outlined, as you continuously need to put in effort for maintaining your access, and providers of such services are whimsy bitches anyway. It's probably the least resilient towards the future, and so I wholeheartedly dislike it.

I should probably just try not to get attached to certain media and trust the future with blowing my mind away again.

  No.10621

>>10564
vinyl records have had a massive resurgence
cassettes on a small/indie scale as well

  No.10622

P I R A C Y
acquire your things as anonymously as you can connect to the internet, get the individual files, own them forever until you decide to get rid of them.
Vinyl records are nice because they're a huge physical object embodying the piece of art with a big piece of artowork on the front, so they're nice to get, but you can still own your own things digitally if you just take whatever you're able to take and feel like as your own.

  No.10623

Are you all ready for the transition away from paper books because sharing "hurts writers who are losing countless sales of their work"

  No.10625

>>10623
I'm not.

A book is an object; it tells stories and conveys feelings in more ways than just words. The layout of the page, the font of the words, the texture of the paper: all these are characteristics that stay in my mind long after I've finished a book. Having a book in my hands or in my bookshelf gives it a possessory, proprietary element: I feel like I own the work, it's part of my life. E-books don't give me that feeling, they feel immaterial and transient.

The physicality of an object adds an extra dimension to intercourse with it. That said, I read the majority of my books on my Kindle because piracy is free (and faster). I only buy books that I really enjoy, and want to keep as a possession.

  No.10629

I don't mind having digital music/movies.
I like the idea of buying a select few CD's/Movies, but when it really comes down to it, I don't ever do it because I don't really have enough money to want to go around buying it all.

I care about my control over the media, how ever. I don't stream music or anything like this, I strictly download/torrent it and toss it in my library. I'm fine with this solution, as I have control over it and get to decide how I want to use it, and no one can ever take it away from me.

  No.10630

>>10629
I do actually buy my books, though. Forgot to mention them. I just buy them off amazon and I have a small collection.

  No.10631

>>10623
Libraries would be derezzed if that were true.

  No.10633

>>10623
Someone doesn't know what libgen is

  No.10634

People keep talking about physical media "on its way out" or "dying". It's not going any further, it's already as dead as it could be with a whole generation of kids growing up without it. I heard a college student on the radio today telling an embarrassing story about using a cassette player for a presentation and needing to ask for assistance. She had never used one before. College student.

On the other hand, a Canadian firm is buying up 70 storefronts being abandoned by HMV to start a vinyl centered chain. They will be selling other pop culture crap, even board games, but with an emphasis on records on display in the front of the shops. It may flop in the end but meanwhile it's not some hipster hideout on a side street, these would be prime retail spots.

Sale of vinyl has actually gone up quite a bit in this country in rhe last few years. Like I said, it was as dead as it could be and some people want to keep it on life support.

  No.10635

>>10633
There's a strong difference between savvy pirates and your average consumer. The former will find a way, the latter just gets fuarrrked over because companies realize they can milk them for more and more cash by blaming the former. Most EFF-style advocacy is not about "making technology professionals life better" but "fighting for the freedoms of all internet users," which is something companies would love to restrict.

  No.10638

>>10635
I don't think the divide between pirates and average people is near as wide as you imply. People pay for Netflix etc because it's instant and convenient but when they can't afford even that, most idiots can still use a torrent.

The only need to be "savvy" is when your tastes run a little more obscure than usual.

  No.10640

>>10638
I suppose the person you were replying to didn't talk about the current situation, but his future dystopian image where every piece of hardware and every mainstream operating system is backdoored, those that are not are illegal, and active, automatized effort is made to destroy every piece of copyrighted content not paid for and further sanction the user to deter him from trying again. About the same situation as Silk Road these days.

  No.10642

I buy my books from independent book stores.

Although I don't really like amazon, I use it to buy drm free music. This way I can also make sure that the artist gets a little more money than he gets from streaming services.

I also use amazon to buy dvds. This has become increasingly difficult, as many movies simply aren't available on dvd anymore for an affordable price. Buying series on dvd has become completely unaffordable.

I would gladly pay money to download drm free movies for a reasonable price. AFAIK such services don't exist unfortunately.

  No.10662

>>10622
There is no real privacy with torrents, especially over TOR.

  No.10663

Not just stuff like movies and music, but I think that we are moving to everything being connected and online all the time. It scares me because anonymity online is almost impossible, and virtually impossible when you want to get something.

  No.10664

>>10662
Torrenting over Tor isn't possible, but if it were it would give you more then enough anonymity to avoid DCMA issues.

  No.11151

>>10662
Use a VPN/Proxy and you'll be fine.

  No.11157

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Private trackers are where it's at right now in terms of availability and speeds, but you don't get any real privacy due to the individual passkey with each torrent.

When using public trackers you can always proxy your connection via a VPN/VPS, but then you'll have to trust your VPN/VPS provider instead.

  No.11158

I visit a lot of second hand stores for DVDs.
There's usually a lot of old PC games mixed in, but retrocompatability is becoming more and more of a problem.

  No.11159

>>11158
Get an old PC that runs on the OS that you need to be compatible, or DOS box.

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>>10562
I prefer to have a physical media too, but i'm generally ok with digital distribution, as long as it's not some subscription or streamed-model bullsoykaf, which is absolutely a no-no for me, since it's giving the control of things you've purchased and "own" to external companies that can go out of bussiness any minute, be it for financial reasons, natural disaster, and so on.

That's why i despise services like soykafify or Steam, since they make you entirely dependent on the remote service (there are ways to circumvent the latter, but it doesn't matter to me) Thus, i lean much more towards shops like GoG for games, which is free of DRMs and offers normal, completely local installers, and places like BandCamp for music (or just grabbing some neat free ones, like demoscene modules/chipmusic/anything goes)

>>10564
Cult of physical media != cult of analog for me. Analog is inferior in pretty much all aspects to digital, when it comes to quality, ease of editing and storage reliability. The only thing i can agree about it is that it has important historical value, and maybe a certain degree of charm to it

  No.11305

I only prefer books over digital because I can write in them and the screen doesnt give me a headache or have weird for atting problems sometimes. Oh and I can transfer the book easily in person.