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I've been studying Buddhist and Epicurean philosophy lately and I've been so much happier and content with everything. I'm starting to detach myself from material desires and I feel at peace. I don't think I've felt anger that lasted more than 30 seconds in the past month, I just have a strong desire to spread goodwill now.

Anyone else have their perspective in life take a turn for the better?


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>anger is bad emotion
Anger and sadness are not bad emotions, they point us to the things we need to change. The way we deal with those emotions can be bad or good.

What you are proposing is just another niche hipsterish cool sklavenmorale.


Sadness and anger are part human experience that will never be free from suffering. Even enlightened Buddha struggled with Mara. The only choice we have is how we react to them.


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My perspective changed for the better a few weeks back, and again last week, it's comfy. Lots of pent up anger that dissipated.

They're part of the human experience but detaching yourself from materialism and pent up anger is still a positive. You said it yourself, the way we deal with those emotions can be bad or good.


What does it really mean? How can you detach from materialism? Things do have a value, both nominal and intrinsic


The root of suffering are desires and carvings, as they only bring suffering and your carving is never fulfilled. One has to train himself in meditation and follow the Noble Eightfold Path in order to accept suffering and free oneself from suffering.


Even with a base respect for the material value of goods, the pursuit of materialism as the path to happiness is what's led so many modern individuals towards strife, stress, and an all-around unhappy life. You can maintain a respect for material goods, and attempt to improve your material holdings, without devoting your life to them.


Essentially what I was going to say. Also, I do know that anger isn't a "bad" emotion, I've just been able not to let it take control of me.


Zen would disagree. Where does intrinsic value stem from?


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I think it's important to recognize that "I" am not my thoughts or my emotions. I can detach from my thoughts/emotions and observe them. Once I started practicing this, I realized how automatic these processes are most of the time. How often are we really consciously thinking and feeling? This has changed the way I think, although I feel it's not so much a new perspective as a new tool in my mental arsenal.


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The body was too short or empty.


I haven't read ZatAoMM but from reading that wikipedia page I don't think it's quite what you're talking about. Items having "Metaphysics of Quality" doesn't really make materialism not something you should try and eliminate from your life. Desire is still a harmful thing.


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Mundane sadness about material or otherwise societal reasons leads to useless and avoidable suffering, but existential sadness about the nature of life once it's dettached from artificial sources of meaning like materialism, society, religion, family or the law leads to constructive thoughts that can make one grow spiritually.

For some reason "spreading goodwill" always means talking people out of their problems, but never taking the short and more effective path of destructing the sources of those people's struggles.

I disagree with the idea of taking desire as the enemy because I fail to see any good in a person deprived of desire. Call me a stoic, but desire is a natural and not necessarily harmful response to our natural environment; if you're hurt you'll desire for it to heal, if you're hungry you'll want food, there's sexual desire, desire for the wellbeing of your loved ones. If you don't want those things you'll care about nothing and die for not caring about yourself, and if you're fine with that it must be because you've been promised something for the afterlife.
I'm not saying that it's good because you can't avoid it, what I ask is; is it better to eat, love and learn for reasons other than desire? Desire can have different reasons, some are harmful, some do no harm.
Being against all desire is too general IMO, like Stirner going against ideas when, unless some stupid redefining goes on, an idea can be any result of human thought, including Stirner's ideas and the ones that differ but don't contradict them in any way.

Still, fuarrrk materialism, it's still a great riddance. Let's walk away from anhedonia and desire the fuarrrk out of a place with less materialism, senseless sadness and misdirected anger.


Would you recommend Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance? I got it in a big batch of books left behind by a previous tenant of my apartment but I've never read it.


It was a life-changer for a lot of people, but academics tend to poo-poo it.

It gets compared to Atlas Shrugged, in that it's a manifesto written as a novel.


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>gets sad/angry about something in his life
>instead of admitting that to himself and trying to change things for better he blames meaningless of everything and "muh materialism"
You are like that kid with big aspirations that after first hardship gets angry at not succeeding immediately so he stops and sulks


You shouldnt have emotions for things you dont control, because is useless, in that case, anger is useless. In a fight for example, anger is almost everything.


If you want true freedom, go homeless and you will be your own king, you will obey only to yourself.


Until the police tell you to move along.


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On the way to work I pass this beautiful historic landmark and the benches in front always have the same homeless dude in a sleeping bag all comfy with basically the greatest view of the city.
Got me thinking, there's probably a hierarchy for homeless people too? I mean, you can only get that kind of place if you have seniority and know the right kind of people. If I was homeless I would probably have to sleep in the gutter for a decade until they would let me sleep in front of that building.


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that pic reminds me of this


I've done some reading out of the Bhagavad Gita lately, and it agrees with a lot of the points made in this thread. When I look at my life in the long-term, it does seem like a waste of precious time to be a slave to simple, short-lived bursts of pleasure and pain. You seem more well-read than I am, OP, so I've got a question for you or anyone else who can answer:

In both the Hindu and Buddhist texts I've read, a central idea is detaching yourself from the world of sense and desire to become one with all things (Kind of iffy on the last part), with the idea being that you'll attain eternal joy and live with a kind of "inward smile". If I do go forward on this path, my goal will always be enlightenment, and the ever-lasting contentment it promises. In this case, it appears impossible to separate the desire from the action.

How do you reconcile that? I've guessed it was a difference between Eastern and Western conceptions of desire, but I don't know.


>Got me thinking, there's probably a hierarchy for homeless people too?

Some homeless act like there is and think they have earned a spot to sleep or panhandle. There is some merit to this and if you've been using the same spot for a year and someone takes it, imagine how you'd feel. Others pretend to have earned a spot they haven't, just so they can flex about something. Still others dgaf and either want everyone to be brothers and sisters or are simply too meek to make a challenge.

Citizens and police also come to tolerate a homeless person who's been there for years and doesn't make trouble so there's that too.


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On the opposite end of the spectrum (seemingly) from your post, OP, LaVeyan Satanism was a philosophy that gave me a new perspective on life. No, it does not actually entail worshiping the Devil -- Satanists are just Atheists with a specific philosophy who enjoy fuarrrking around with the "stigma" surrounding Satan, and his relation to the "religion" is more akin to symbolic/archetypal. In reality, the most accurate description would be to say that we worship ourselves. It's based on the principles of individualism, egoism, moral relativity, and materialism.

Attached to this post are the Nine Satanic Statements and Eleven Satanic Rules of The Earth, key pieces of this philosophy, for any who might be curious. Hope you Lainons enjoy!


I tried to kill myself and lately I've just viewed humanity and life as beautiful. I still wanna kill myself but I don't have the same negative nhilism.


>those rules
It's basic understanding of common courtesy and general manners for behaving written in weird flashy COOL way to catch an eye of socially inept autists.
Also, rules are for sheep