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No.1240

The library of Babel is now real (sorta). Every book that has ever been written, or ever will be written is now at your fingertips.

http://libraryofbabel.info/

  No.1242

I found the gettysburg address
http://libraryofbabel.info/book.cgi
What short, copyrighted works can we find in here?

  No.1243

>>1242
I must be missing something.
The lore is simple enough, but I see no way to find anything other than garbled hex. Does it bank off of the infinite typewriter monkeys idea?
Where in what looks to me like obfuscated text are you seeing the Gettysburg Address?

  No.1244

>>1242
>>1243
I should say, page 301 of
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  No.1245

>>1243
He didn't use the bookmark properly. Here's a better link.

http://libraryofbabel.info/bookmark.cgi?tkmmmyljp6969

  No.1248


  No.1249

I was reading the theory page about the hexagons and it made me think that's the biggest missing part of the library. The hexagons. The rooms themselves. I've not used any, but I think this could be implemented in JanusVR or similar. The way the pages are generated seems like it would lend itself well to the idea.

http://libraryofbabel.info/book.cgi?0-w1-s1-v01:2
0 = Room 0
w1 = Wall 1
s1 = Shelf 1
v01:2 = Page 2 of volume 1

  No.1250

>>1249
>I've not used any, but I think this could be implemented in JanusVR or similar.

That would be neat. Now everyone can experience the desolate horror of the library first hand.

  No.1251

How hard would it be to have a computers scan the library for books that are comprised only of English words?

Also, here's the short story this websites based off of, if you haven't read it yet.

http://hyperdiscordia.crywalt.com/library_of_babel.html

  No.1252

>>1251
or here (sans hyperlinks to footnotes), translated by a gentleman in close collaboration with the author.

http://www.digiovanni.co.uk/borges/the-garden-of-branching-paths/the-library-of-babel.htm

  No.1253

Cool, I've just read the Borge's short story recently.

Also, http://libraryofbabel.info/bookmark.cgi?zg.izrwjrco319

  No.1254

>>1253
>Borge's
Move the apostrophe one character to the right when reading this.

  No.1255

I found a book that indexes all coherent books in the library but Windows updated and I had to reboot and lost it.

  No.1258

>>1254
>>1253
is borges
also im really interested in how the guys made this
programming looks really cool

  No.1260

>>1255
hwo od you find that?
more info plz

  No.1261

>>1260
I was joking, in the story Borges says such book should exist somewhere in the library.

>>1258
Same, it would be neat to have a local copy of the library. That is, a program that can calculate what the content of the nth page would be.

  No.1262

>>1258
>>1261
http://libraryofbabel.info/theory4.html
http://libraryofbabel.info/forum/?topic=searching-across-pages/#post-168

You might just get it at some point. He's looking at making the code public.

>>1260
“On some shelf in some hexagon, it was argued, there must exist a book that is the cipher and perfect compendium of all other books, and some librarian must have examined that book; this librarian is analogous to a god.”

  No.1275

I was being silly and wrote this
http://pad.fnordig.de/p/thoughts_on_library_of_babel
feel free to add on

  No.1498

I'm trying to code a virtual library, but Borges' story says the books are written using only twenty-two letters. The librarian who wrote what he knows about the library tells about two books he found, one that reads "MCV" periodically from the first to the last line, and one that reads "Oh tiempo tus pirámides" in the second-to-last page. This shows that there are lower and uppercase letters as well as acuted letters. Moreso, there are three different letters in the first example and eleven more in the second one; adding the uppercases and the five letters that can have acutes in spanish we get thirty-three different characters.
Two things keep me from making my version fit the spanish language. First, the obvious sadness of having to discern from the original story and my library wouldn't be the one of Babel. Second, the numbers get even more huge for the quantity of hexagons, and I feel really small against such numbers, and unworthy to span them in my humble program. My solitude saddens from that unelegant fear.

>>1275
>the librarians live forever
They don't, they die and the bodies are thrown off the library and eventually disintegrate during the fall. They do have children though, so your point is still valid.
>uber-librarians
The librarians in the lower levels speak old languages and dialects, so they value the books differently.
It would be dystopic if they evolved into a language that maximizes the artificial understanding of randomized books.

  No.1501

oh boy the library of babel

"Each wall of each hexagon holds 32 books of equal size; each book has 410 pages; each page 40 lines; each line approximately 80 letters. The books consist of
all possible combinations of 25 orthographic symbols. Every conceivable book has been written."

"William Goldbloom Bloch computes the number of books in the library
according to this data: 410 pages times 40 lines times 80 symbols equals 1,312,000 symbols in each book. Since there are 25 orthographic symbols, the total number of possible books is: 25^1,312,000! Putting this unfathomable figure in the power of 10 gives us: 10^1,834,097!5 The universe is currently estimated to be 1.5 × 10^26 meters across, and if we filled the entire universe with sand there would be no more than a paltry 10^90 grains, a sum that doesn’t even begin approximating the number of books in the Library. To give a more concrete feeling for the magnitude of the Library, if we walked 60
miles a day for 100 years, we would travel a distance slightly less than what light covers in two minutes. For light to cross the entire universe, which is
minuscule in comparison to the Library, it must travel for at least 15 billion years! Obviously, no less than an immortal librarian would be able to inspect all the Library’s books."

I fuarrrking love Borges

  No.1585

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>mfw the meaning of the universe is written there
>the brief story of your whole life

  No.1599

soykaf like this is the reason that I come to this board.

  No.1600

>>1501 here.
I had a new thought after re-reading the story.
Borges' librarian says the thougt of the library being periodical makes him happy.
If after the last book there came the first one again and the library held infinitely many copies of each volume, then my adaptation of the library, if made periodical as well, would have the same quantity of books as the one of Babel. Infinite.
Mine would have more different books than the original but the cardinal of both sets would be the same, Aleph 0.
My solitude heartens from that elegant hope.

  No.1605

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This really boggles my noggin in the best, weirdest, and most ephemeral of ways.

If the Library is just a massive collection of !un!written literature, everything conceivable, doesn't that mean that the Internet itself is simply that comprehensive book of everything in the library described in the story with infinite pages, front to back?


So is this Library of Babel the inconceivable middle page that can/can't exist?

  No.1608

>>1605
Let's see if I understood.
The internet gives you access to all written books, so it's like a book that indexes all known literature?

  No.1609

>>1608
Read the final footnote to the Library of Babylon story.

https://libraryofbabel.info/Borges/libraryofbabel.pdf

Is not the internet, and the square in front of you called a "computer screen" a smooth, flat plane? And below that, just before your fingerprints can touch, isn't that raw data? Zeros and ones?

When you give that amalgam mass of zeros and ones folded infinitely in upon one another a name, you call it simply "the internet."

You can go full NEET and spend your whole life on the internet and still never see everything there is to see, and at the rate content is uploaded every day from people just like you, you never could. You can't touch the internet because it truly is everywhere, flying through us, a separate world from our own. I commit tautology.

Essentially, not until human consciousness is successfully uploaded within the machine, effectively granting immortality, can we see what lies at the end of the infinite sprawl.

The question remains, what will you do when you finally see the end? Will you turn back and go the way you came, hoping to capture something you missed? Will you cast yourself into the Abyss, and hope to become a bridge between the zeros and ones like a link between atoms?

  No.1615

>>1605
>thanks to computers, literally every possible book that could ever be written has already been written

Welp, pack it up boys. We can go home now.

  No.1741

The chances of someone actually stumbling upon a fully completed book is so unlikely, isn't it? Isn't this basically trying to brute force books into existence?

  No.1754

Can't this basically be used instead of paste bin for some things?
And if it were created with all characters in mind, couldn't it fully replace it?

  No.1763

>>1754
the indexing system isn't the best - like half a page for every page or something like that.

  No.1765

>>1763
I'm not sure what you mean by that, can you elaborate?

If you mean that it's mixed with the garble, click exact match when you search.

  No.1848

>>1249
I thought there were only four rooms per floor, and mirrors have the illusion of infinite non-vertical distance, when it is in fact only infinite vertically?

  No.1864

>>1754
I think so, though if it supported all characters then technically the average url for a page would be longer than the text it refers to. Though if books are arranged in a way related to a compression algorithm, most books written in languages targeted by the compression system would have shorter urls. Either way it'd allow one to essentially use a url shortening service to host a file, though that could be done without attempting to create an infinite library.

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>>1615
>People no longer write books
>But instead AIs search through completely random data and send anything that makes a lick of sense to humans who then sort through them and publish the good ones for profit

  No.2891

>>1600
That's beautiful anon. I'm kind of stumped, actually. I hadn't even looked into the mathematical purpose behind the Aleph before now.

I need to look into this.

  No.2892

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>>2891
Thanks, you made me see a mistake I made six months ago. I said I'm >>1501 but actually I'm >>1498

Unfortunately I haven't started coding that virtual library yet, if I do I'll post it here or make a thread on /lam/ if I find something technically interesting along the way.

There's lots of math and physics in some of Borges' stories, particularly the concept of time is a recurring theme. Here's something to read about Aleph 0 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aleph_number

>>2883
Looks like this guy uses all the letters of the alphabet, while in the book the books are written using 22 letters.
On the good news, that makes that page even harder to find.

  No.2940

imagine all the my little pony fanfiction in this place
the library of babel is evil.

  No.2941

>>1615
>>2885
Computer poetry has been a thing for a very long time, but nobody has actually paid much attention. That a computer can, with enough RNG, accidentally organize data into something humans can make sense of says little of its actual aesthetic merit, if it can even be said to possess any aesthetic value whatsoever. That there is a consciousness behind the creation of a work/text seems an integral component of aesthetic value.

  No.2942

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>>1741
Yeah, but it's not trying, the mad man actually did it.

A relevant Borges very short story, On Exactitude in Science. This is it in full:
>. . . In that Empire, the Art of Cartography attained such Perfection that the map of a single Province occupied the entirety of a City, and the map of the Empire, the entirety of a Province. In time, those Unconscionable Maps no longer satisfied, and the Cartographers Guilds struck a Map of the Empire whose size was that of the Empire, and which coincided point for point with it. The following Generations, who were not so fond of the Study of Cartography as their Forebears had been, saw that that vast map was Useless, and not without some Pitilessness was it, that they delivered it up to the Inclemencies of Sun and Winters. In the Deserts of the West, still today, there are Tattered Ruins of that Map, inhabited by Animals and Beggars; in all the Land there is no other Relic of the Disciplines of Geography.
>Suárez Miranda, Viajes de varones prudentes, Libro IV, Cap. XLV, Lérida, 1658

In the same way he picks at the absurdity of a 1:1 cartography, dissolving the distinction between map and territory, in order to demonstrate the importance of the map-territory relationship (abstraction/the thing abstracted), the Library of Babel story plays with the distinction between information and noise (the world's ultimate library is ultimately useless), authorship and curation/selection (every book has already been written, every idea used, authorship is less creation than it is narrowing down what already exists). Among many other things, it's one of his more packed works.

  No.2943

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Doesn't this undermine intellectual property? How can you be said to have authored what has already provably existed within the public domain?

Authorship becomes a question of discovery, not creation. There's no first use, only re-use.

  No.2944

>>2943
Authoritarians will always find a way to make this invalid, even if it's not logically consistent.

  No.2947

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>>2942
Cartography is the easiest example, but the representation/reality dissonance is ubiquitous in all fields.

An infinite library with books containing mathematical symbols and numbers would be equally useless.

  No.3007

https://libraryofbabel.info/book.cgi?1rvdwq7a90vaqrq813fs0k78tebj1u9ilsu2bzrqx07a35i9dxb6vogtcq6uf994d9ehbtstbsrynfbuop6hqkog19xpbgbwvlzld2uovckuupdpqa1j6rgu8alrkj7q5wjbagqalxnqzs6q9m8hdrprayul60ygsyz8qisru649a30sxptn6snv4apw0gpe3pmo2f0z6jsvw93tsrxiced95dcd7n5t2x4uhv53kizhsoyab15fp9py4gycle51ar6xg8wejln3h56ferfr60zf40atfeo4i1qq1ulvwqmrgm7j8twop18kfiyn0sv3e1zn8vp6y523g059qv0pbkz43r1pd0eu97jvmvnxaxvio4qstq7kcr04lmt9suh1t36dz1r1awg8or7ahxaowa0pqetgixz8lk2ih3to0944ywuhb0utjgs8dn0odzamwmseeorvtde55f7m94nl10p4esf5vsw15upftqskw60xo2w5x0jgaloasc403q40sar9fz2e7syj1h555nm9tz05kpylnun8b01bw1z5g43nhemucfazu57oialfbyjhv6ieibsrcp60l2ydyd4y6k2yqw2rpgrsiznwg9ndblf8svyixjosqjx34op7rc9g18i19cutafetv7icgxubsyifoty0e7d4g9aggyn5pu3dzjhcu4tsochqjh24ak6eb9en3izdt368okhbs6xh1ltyebpozsaiwo1hwo47je52t34ukzur7q6ryr0kt2r35hryah1ujia96y05vjfmthq5wnwcivnpwz5lzpzequ5c4aojyqmkc8jm4ic519x2zctfnghrkbfi9pctnpyd52tv3vohvn8u7j2496ss09ay4ze1eir340j782enhx77dcv52ky2rh315549k080bhfg9tp2xn50fd79lmpxnc0hoifdm6n7og7tnnz975d34y68wrk61wyu3w0anvjmstj5vsc8z6z262cos0jyxp91ajlom1f5kc8aqyrri7as2qirpaw9dqxemyog2ek9rq3nz6i4x2w3ccid4u9zima953ie9yxlge0ugv4hj8rfgvpl9hy6rrnaa7cvtqymdgg9kv1ktk1zna9he4oz4dsmxz9tf11uh8imqsoqb2t9ibh8267q9226t17m05je4rqu7yg0g14g7wetuwkamhigkzc26im1v908w5gxn5x0adob1ih9rlqi1l9ufjidyi8hofergbenqfxr41kdsxvh0lfz2c120tzrw470rtay80xfd3m3kgwy6dk831bzt34lsbjr7jxc14aw2tmzeajiyph7hcur460hza8csxiq4r8j3cxg4u59g920ka2t7vavxs3c0t57b0bcygn1bpsldym1ub4l7jg3mqu24snjeyz1ffk74igd9rbr3mat5yrxuwigz7uxc2aaic24yhyx1ibhgkvato85u5paflkgdfds6g48natuspqgcrvp4p39y8jrsb5q4rva7bk7z9dymtyc1n482enw9i5ymdyd55l8kuf1svsqup7xe1s2h75s9pg957ckhx8m67txm1wqhkg4qnna1tljypba0cn1poyxe3vnkjrhvva7inww0yupib8w8iaw9d8li96hj0e90j83y80gtjiho8eoyut6wa0w1k7mo1tlky83bid1g1glhz0u5680izd849somi6s7ihws1yuscklz2d6ehp13y15g1aaircjkqmgjeem4fon78dxgc5lz4c6edwxeti7boi4octj0cxl2l4c8ehsgrfuhtlogb5w0hi1ms8s43pq098ijec8fibhbq6qzb2zxvrt994vvjab1u56z99533ld7byey5fvh4sjy04alpuflzjm2d0sovt6w4thg5esobycs5cfxp6hza2vbt9t62t310sw0i9ot7blcu1usahg3qnyd639lio8nafp7kozmkzhi78tcueaqm4fbvn4zy11mkq0jzjk69l1iiiczwgphad3ffk9gjjhw1yzjpn51fd0ge3nb9uv2cojr8v42kilcooipoxfe5yt316o10vvv4i7acd896bi7scndxv87iec3ffe0tnixvky17w1yzqbskkant3iyxnstazv15jionyvzfg2n8ki7nyotzv5baf93gbnn32r4ty92jg6pc54c8yq581tf6izdn1nh869n0d80h6avsf7b6n58e4k5qosqjp0n8v3pg6c1x78zpdwt8fjbnwwkg0rh11jkumm8wqdz6ilefizi3fn6uzc64jbgwgchyj4ocb0v1g8p41gumbo7c2nyrw5kpws976v6d78goh50z7fgcnpn2k7bk7ufs36gyl25c6pttuut0skjn9wioops170wl53pt4rteecw7pcvazpkapoqex0cwo3oq7t65hl6oje79vbv46fdn1boiwagi065nv6t6ogzxeao3w9a7pb6hcrak09i2122nu07e31buw3rszleprotrx7oxsstjaxxkr0q84u9sjtkv4p1zpgfv7xpr63w8mw93piwib5n095yej5kx26izzkd1zuxr4o804pdrrjy7ieuvz59itjezudixv4qbbeumu7alqv5rsoa3q0cqwix72omldak3frrwmyr81e8fqc341dtjsdf54bu09e3oax40wavzidbvwnlempzkun4k28nmyq4nb8ssleni970zinwiql8bxvujt5ubsru76qq9e7pbyxlrmuw1sicyb0h6scbg4e9y8y1hvxhlib7hzwp0mpcixpqrvoqn4grv689j7h7oz6yauifzplf3z2zx76xllaorp92pdmxk2huxfng9g5tq6e9wsb0cm6v3ftrik9z875myh3n6qs4uioug3k5reiv5q19j6olp5albfjyf4w2df1xbpvwtjyij3hd8eb8kw05dd34x67jfe5ev6krwnu0g4ttufthi7kcx0ee82iq3yfkvh12o9myg41wia4lwg0sc6jfzbbiab1lcp561y4br7ucgtvgn1pxunw4z35j9sq856zzq4jg23pv1ztilg4buxhrj76m6aim2b5rxfv8nme6r0rous3kl9hur67vqpfhk8a1yjfcpcj0cgmon27iw633xf3urmpfilx1iba5ojmn6j0qnp0fglmltp1hda84c11iq2eq6x2tkxg906kcu5hzicwzm1t9atazutq2n06moi7due4ilnqjcumfkppjbpl9i51cix49qvkzf-w2-s5-v24:65

  No.3025

>>3007
ohoho nice one anon

  No.3026

>>2947
"the world itself is not so precise" is a phrase I want to use more

  No.3324

>>3026
The world itself applies mathematics to an extreme humans will never achieve. Saying it's not precise does your concept of the world a disservice. The world is often too complex for human understanding: that doesn't entail that it's "imprecise".

  No.3325

>>3324
because mathematics was created by humans to understand the world and not vice versa. When mathematical complexity increases, it means that we have to further and develop our own understanding of the world. You can choose to see the math as existing there all the time, but when I do this I find myself making no end of false assumptions about the way of things.


  No.3336

>>3325
Math exists within itself. Physics exists as a set of mathematical principles that seem to apply in the real world as well. Don't confuse them.

  No.4331

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>>1498
why "artificial" understanding? isn't all understanding of language artificial then?

  No.4333

>>4331
Because they find the books and create a meaning for the words in them, they create a language from the books. In natural languages it's the other way around. The research of dead tongues would be like that if the researcher lied to himself or to other researchers making up the words' meanings.
Like that one researcher who found paintings on a wall in some remote place and published that it had been painted thousands of years ago by some tribe, and that the drawings depicted scenes of their gods punishing mortals, of infernal creatures from their religion and symbology of some sort of phallic-centered culture. Some time later the wall turned out to have been painted by a German kid some years ago, and the drawings were of his teachers punishing students, of monsters he had imagined, and of dicks.

  No.4353

>>1240
i'm kind of surprised more lainons haven't read the story and seen the site. i read it some years ago, and i've had the permuter from babelia as my homepage for a year or two

>>3007
You can feel that you are close to death. You can no longer walk. You are collapsed in front of a bookshelf far from your native hex. Frantically pulling out and riffling through the books for some meaning before you die, you find this page. Staring at it, enraptured, you die, and it falls from your hands onto the small, disorganized pile around you. Several days later, someone finds you, tosses you over the railing in the center, and grumblingly puts the books back, and your secret dies with you.

  No.4702

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I wonder if this is how our brains work.

If not, where does thr stream of conciousness come from?

  No.4706

>>4702
takes in inputs, processes them, and puts out outputs.

  No.4717

>>4702
read freud, dude

  No.4718

>>4717
Really, really don't. Freud generalized on the population based on his own experiences, which he didn't realize were affected by other sources, which is very far from the truth.

  No.4719

File: 1479758323080.png (2.53 MB, 200x148, letslovelain.gif)

>>4717
>not Lacan
smh famrade

  No.4724

>>4719
Might as well just tell him to read Zizek

  No.4725

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  No.4735

I bet you could read an entire book using this

Anyone know how?

  No.4736

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wtf

  No.4737

fun fact:

you get no information out of reading the library of babel, in a formal sense.

  No.4739

>>4737
well yeah but it's a cool idea