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No.2680

Hello /lit/
I am lost. I'm looking for text, but I don't know the name of its kind, and neither do I have examples. An important thing about this text that it doesn't seem to fit the usual categories well. It's not really fiction or non-fiction either. It's not really a story, but may include fragments of stories It isn't science or philosophy either, but may have some of that too. Neiter too close to nor too far from reality. It doesn't revolve around a central idea, just like a person doesn't focus on the same thing all day. A lack or laziness of sctructure, it's not a masterpiece carefully put together and polished, but often just improvisation, a confused stroll in too many ideas put down on paper. It does have aesthetics or style, but often deviates from it. Sometimes it might get quite creative and playful with that.

I could also say they are the ramblings of a madman, but he wasn't so mad, had seen some things, had some interesting ideas, good writing skills, a nice style he didn't really want to follow all the time, and he didn't just end up logging his life, writing down his philosophy or creating a piece of art, but sort of a mash of all these.

Also, other things that come to mind:
- I don't think this text would have any commercial value, which I think is one reason I don't see it all that often
- It doesn't have a base tone of esotery, conspiracy, "how i overcame life and found true love", or anything else bored moms would read and discuss
- It is not cyberpunk, nor sci-fi. Not at all.
- Kinda arty.
- No, it's really not cyberpunk or sci-fi. I don't mind if you share, just don't try to change my mind about this. Please.

General directions, book titles, websitesm anything that I can look after in a library or on the internets without ACCELA or PSYCHE will do. Arigatou, Ollin!

Picture very related: if you've seen the Her & Herself OVA, you know exactly how the text I'm looking for feels like. Not the one she's talking about/reading, mind you, but how the OVA itself feels.

  No.2681

what is a riddle?

  No.2682

is this the OVA your talking about?
http://player.arkvid.tv/5AYv

  No.2683

>>2681
I have a kind of text in mind, I'd like to find some more to read, but I am lost. Asking random people around me hasn't been fruitful, a lack of keywords or clear category makes these kinds of searches unsuccessful. I'm here to look for some help, if the board has any to spare!

>>2682
Yes, that OVA. I don't think it will make much sense to people who haven't seen the anime though, even less than to those who have.

  No.2684

>>2683
I'd love to help but it's way too obscure 4 me
maybe we can keep the thread alive until someone who can answer notices

  No.2685

Just to clarify, are you asking for a specific text that you can't remember the name of or just for suggestions?

  No.2686

>>2685
Suggestions.
People, publishers, genres, a folder on some forgotten ftp server, just a website you found, an interesting page from a blog, a book title, a keyword...
Any text that seems to fit the description, or could lead me to such texts.

I do remember an example. It's a manga, sort of gloomy, but mostly fits the criteria. I've been reading it while it was being drawn, with much poorer English back then. It totally lost me, and I totally liked that.
http://manga.clone-army.org/viewer.php?series=nnn

  No.2687

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You made me think of Julio Cortázar, the Argentine author.

>doesn't seem to fit the usual categories well

He doesn't cage himself like "I write cyberpunk stories"
>It's not really fiction or non-fiction either
>Neiter too close to nor too far from reality.
Check, lots of his writings can be interpreted both as fantastic and not.
>It's not really a story
You mean not a "Once upon a time ... and they lived happily everafter END" kind of writing? If so, check.
>but may include fragments of stories. It isn't science or philosophy either, but may have some of that too.
Yeah, he cites stuff often.
>It doesn't revolve around a central idea, just like a person doesn't focus on the same thing all day.
Most of the times he focuses on a person, a person that thinks.
>A lack or laziness of sctructure
Non trivial structure, in this case. Can be interpreted as a lack if you don't get it.
>it's not a masterpiece carefully put together and polished, but often just improvisation
He didn't like the polishing, but his improvisations can be great
>a confused stroll in too many ideas put down on paper.
The characters sometimes struggle to get an idea out, but it's not impossible to understand or relate to them.
>It does have aesthetics or style, but often deviates from it.
I haven't notice a deviation, but it might be there.
>Sometimes it might get quite creative and playful with that.
Definitely.
>I could also say they are the ramblings of a madman, but he wasn't so mad, had seen some things, had some interesting ideas, good writing skills, a nice style he didn't really want to follow all the time, and he didn't just end up logging his life, writing down his philosophy or creating a piece of art, but sort of a mash of all these.
I'd recommend Un Tal Lucas (1979) https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Un_tal_Lucas
You would have to find a good translation (I couldn't) or speak native-tier Spanish tho. He's dead so don't feel bad for downloading an ebook.

  No.2690

>>2687
Thanks. Indeed hard to find English translations, so far I have read Axolotl and The night face up. He lacked a few criteria in these two, but was enjoyable to read anyway. It still felt as a story, because of the mostly chronologic progresison, but he did break perspective in Axolotl.
The .pdf I found of the latter was a rough scan of the pages from some book, with the angle sometimes off - this was a great thing for me, but I would have enjoyed it even more with a few accidentally copy/pasted words, spelling errors, printing errors. Perhaps the text becoming poetic but without the line breaks, froming a weird sort of prose. I could even imagine a few sentences that doesn't fit at all, things like "DON'T FORGET to reserve a restaurant table after finished with this chapter!" or perhaps "Hey Julio, long time no see! Heeey, Good to see you, Juan! Old buddy, I've got this little writing to finish, I'll be out in a few minutes. Carol will get you something to drink!"
I might try stuff like merging two different texts, copying a random amount of sentences from one then another; but again that's not as great as a writer doing it, carefully hiding the switch to make it unnoticeable until it's too late.
Imagine a book where perspective is switched often, when a common ground, a connection is found with another one. A dude walking in a school corridor, thinking about his crush and trying to figure out what his next step should be, how to fight off the nervous feelings. He catches a glimpe of that painting near the headmaster's office. Old dude with a moustache, he was an teacher in this school way back in the 30s, all while pursuing a successful career as an electric engineer. "Those were the days, when nerds like me could have prestige and be left alone." He keeps on walking past the headmaster's office, still on about the glory days of electronics. Why would anyone be concerned with girls, like that stupid Jason he just passed by? He's wasting his time on emotion, instead of making rational steps for a great career!
Here for example the perspective was switched from one dude to another when they saw the same painting. Imagine doing this with situations, objects, emotions, anything. One time your main character is a russian hacker dude with alcohol addiction, and the next line she's all upset why people keep staring at her boobs, until she realizes her clothes are all wrong... but now she cannot fix them, such is life when you're a marble statue, just awakened to consciousness while your creator is still hard at work with forming your legs... and then for 30 pages you'd read the boring story of the marble statue, with the flesh and blood woman only getting two lines at best.

Thanks again for the trail, I'll keep looking for his stuff. Perhaps.

  No.2797

>>2690
An author like that wouldn't get to be a very popular one, the authors I know aren't very 'underground'.
>I'll keep looking for his stuff. Perhaps.
If you do, from what you said I'd recommend looking for A certain Lucas, Graffiti, or Lejana (don't know how that one's translated).
Surely it'd be easier to find translations of some of his more popular writings like Hopscotch.
He won't fit all criteria at all times but there are good things to be found there. Good luck.

  No.2843

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never seen the OVA but here are some recommendations that i think will satisfy you.

notes from underground - dostoyevsky
oblomov - goncharov
hunger - hamsun

maybe lolita by nabokov but idk if thats what youre looking for.

  No.3226

maybe i'm the best at creating such text. i read something that isn't hard to understand, but somehow i still fail to get it. i look too hard, and add my own layer of incoherence to the cake. and then flip the table. golden saint zeit.

  No.3228

OP, you might grok Kathy Acker, William S. Burroughs (especially The Ticket That Exploded), the Illuminatus! trilogy, Michael Moorecock's Jerry Cornelius stories, House Of Leaves, and James Joyce.

  No.3245

>>3228
I second the recommendation for House of Leaves, it fits almost all mentioned points.

  No.4010

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Oh hey, I'm still alive!
This poor thing is on the last page ready to fall off, but I'm gonna give it a helping bump.
I have little memory what I was looking for around January, as the whole mood and mindset left me. It came back now though! I'll start seeking soon.

I saw a great anime while living somebody else's life. I can barely remember the title, because it doesn't even need it. It's like the text I'm seeking, in animated form. Angel's Egg. Funny how the girl the OP pic and the one in this are both crazy about an egg.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5OoNxdAIKtI

  No.4011

Whats up with people and tao lin?

Is Kmart realism the popular thing?

  No.4012

>>4011
What is a Kmart? What's a popular? What's a realism?
I'll check him out soon, thanks!

  No.4779

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It is foggy outside. The two cloth stars that hang from my window seem black in contrast. I couldn't see anything of the sun, except that sunrise has left a very little and slowly changing tint in the fog.
Oh, but I really just wanted to say that - though only twice a season - I'm still here. Been reading some decade-old monthly literature thing. A family member bought a stack of those for a penny when am office supplies store moved. I have no idea why they had literature monthlies.