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What do you think of self education through literature as an alternative to traditional education? If someone had exams in a few months should that person tolerate the total lack of education and concern for welfare that schools offer until then and get grades for getting into collage or should they just start using that time to actually learn at home?


It was while I was in my high schooling that I realized I was learning much of nothing from the classes, despite excellent grades. I realized I must take my education solely into my own hands if I wanted to learn.
I've been reading nonfiction constantly ever since. I rarely read fiction anymore. I regret not starting sooner, but I wouldn't call myself an ignorant sloth before all of this.

College is really no different from high school, in the US, so don't get your hopes up. It's all disappointing.

Identify the subject you want to learn about, I'm rather single-minded with my subject, and identify the good books to read. Then simply read and make a backlog and repeat. Which subject or subjects are you interested in?

Not only will it be more interesting than traditional schooling, but you'll also be able to focus on what you actually want to and will find yourself learning at your own pace. It's great fun and I wholly recommend it.


that's great that you want to further your own learning outside of class for your exams but go to school damnit.

>I rarely read fiction anymore.
how sad.


Literally this, don't confuse High School education with the learning of anything important. Don't run the risk of messing up your life, you have a long time to learn a lot of things. The next few months aren't going to make or break your knowledge in the long run. And honestly, would you even study for more than the amount of free time you currently have? You probably have like 5-8 hours of free time each day m8, use it as you see fit.


A little off topic, but how do you guys read to learn? I do very well in school and I'm pretty good at learning from doing but when I get a textbook I seem to have a hard time remembering it is that I read, and also deal with having a short attention span. I have tried active reading which helped a bit, but I'm not sure if you guys have a better routine or methods that aid in retaining information.


I take notes


I make a list of the books that I think taught me a lot then I skim them again every december. Up to 9 books now and I just started this year.

I do this too, and it's amazing. I've learned so much. Last week I started The Millionaire Next Door and I couldn't put it down, ended up getting 94 pages in on the first day. I never knew I loved nonfiction so much



I find that dedication is the most important resource in studying.
The latin word "studeo" reflects the difference between passively learning, and studying. Dedication is the fuel of all study, the rest is ability and resources.
Formal education, afaik, is only relevant in employment.


By ability, do you mean something like talent, or free time?


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In my humble opinion literature combined with good sound parental guidance is a fine substitute for public schooling. However, there is no substitute for higher education.
Also note this: By foregoing institutional guidance, you are taking a risk, namely the risk of depending on the institution of self-hood, for there is nothing more difficult to tame than natural man. By this I mean to say that you will have to fight your own habits and create new ones from nothing, rather than simply changing your habits to be in conformance with the rudiments of school, getting used to your environment.
Self-motivation is a myth, if people are to animate themselves somebody must force them to do it. There are exceptions as always, but this is the danger I'm talking about, you have to be careful.
That's what I think, anyhow.


the self is a myth and so is independence, you don't need to be forced to do something but you do need others to do it....




Double bump


In my experience, dedication can only get you so far.
Since middle school, I've always done very well in formal education because I'm able to greatly invest myself in most of the work given to me. However, I'm terrible at self education because I've got issues with commitment and direction. Maybe one day I will work them out, but I can only dedicate myself if some other person or group is holding me to that standard and giving me some parameters to work within.


I think one can learn anything from books. Even higher education.
The only aspect that will be missing is the social one.
It is difficult to rewire your brain when it got so used to the concept of school, learning in classes and so on.
But this is exactly what college does.
It's 5 years of rewiring your brain. In those 5 years you will get pushed more and more into self learning,
and somewhere down the line you will realize that you don't need classes to learn anything at all.
In the last years of college, classes will be more of a direction anyway.
Professors will teach you in which direction to take your learning, with explanations they have gathered in their academic or professional journey.
Working in your profession, you will be required to learn by yourself, so college teaches you exactly how to achieve that.


In college now, and it's no better than HS. I have to take the basic classes because I couldn't pass any of the college tests. I'm self-learning math on the side, but none of theses classes are actually making up any of the gap in my education. Particularly writing. I can't write a passable essay, know nothing of structure, etc. I've never been taught how any of this works, and the fact that I passed HS is a miracle. My writing class is a joke.

tl;dr recommend me some books to learn writing so I don't fail college



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>However, there is no substitute for higher education.
False. Secondary education teaches you absolutely nothing, and dare I say even less than public school. I'm studying English and all my professors are fuarrrking retarded, and my peers more-so. I want to take my education seriously, but I'm in a position to where I'm smarter than everyone around me, and I'm not even that smart. Here's the ''correct'' answers to some of my exam questions in a class I am currently taking. Everything I'm learning is coming from our library, as my classes themselves kill more brain cells than they stimulate.


I think English class is universally bad. In HS if we ever used a word under eight letters long, no matter how appropriate it was to the tone or story, and even if it was dialogue from an illiterate character, we would be made to change words to more 'sophisticated' synonyms that didn't actually make sense in context. Another piece of feedback I would get was 'Add more semicolons'.

Basically think of a caricature of an aspiring poet that's played for laughs, that's what my English class did to the people who thought it was legitimately teaching them.


I never dealt well with the structure of school. People would say that I was bored with it or I wasn't challenged, but no, it was overwhelming. When I hit college years I couldn't get in to anywhere good. I took it upon myself to move away from my school-obsessed parents and self-educate. I worked hard. I ended up defeated physically but well disciplined. I currated a well rounded knowledge in programming and math, and a taste for generalized human knowledge. At this point I decided to go back to school to get certification. I could not get into anywhere I wanted again, but within 2 years my talents had been noticed and I was hired by a startup. By my own ambition, I wrote all their data communication layers, wrote their test system, cut down their code by two thirds, and developed a theory of structure for the young framework they are using. I am a lead developer now, and it has been less than a year.
This is just my experience. There are those that become lost without structure and guidance who would have been trapped in a life draining job without school and the support of their parents.



i think you are just taking soykaf classes at a soykaf uni. I mean my hw takes me like 15 hours a week comparitively.


I agree. Find a uni that challenges you.

I took self-education along with my university courses. It made me one of the top students, and I'm way more prepared and proficient than my peers.


One of the greatest American authors was born a slave and taught himself how to read and write. YMMV with education.


why the quotes around correct? true it's ridiculous to have questions like that in anything past like 8th grade, but they're still correct (although "Question 15", though worded correctly, is mostly likely meant in a sense that implies some disconnect between psychological and biological things, which is dumb)


Going to school provides schooling, which means you're obedient rnough to get a job.
Reading, understanding and discussing what you want to learn gives you true education, which develops into wisdom. Make sure to start up a local study group at your local public library, it's better and more fun that way.

Get a notebook and make a backlog of every book you read (or documentary, thought, anything) writing down everything you deem worth remembering, write it like you're explaining it to someone else in case you totally forgot about it by the time you're re-reading it.

>I'm pretty good at learning

>when I get a textbook I seem to have a hard time remembering it is that I read

Then you're not good at learning, doing a minimum of mental work and not misbehaving is enough to get good grades at school.

>deal with having a short attention span

Even when you're reading something you are interested in and choose to read?

>Formal education, afaik, is only relevant in employment.
You also get to meet people that's interested in the same subject, but yeah, the cert you get is just food for your CV.

I like the humbility of your contributing. My humble, as well, opinion is that you can take parental guidance out and replace it with a group of people with similar intellectual interests.

>Particularly writing.
I think that the best way to learn how to express oneself is reading fiction literature written by someone who knows how to use their language, in my experience that means reading books from around the 60s.

Dude, why so obsessed with gender and brain size?

No amount of sitting your ass in a classroom will make you an interesting artist.


Question 15 is clearly teaching incorrect information and punishing people who know the actual answer.

Question 17 is just intentionally ambiguous, possibly to mislead


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9/10 educational courses are only good for the degree they give you. We live in a society obsessed with largely useless qualifications. Self-education is where real learning takes place. Formal education is for skills and getting the tick on a piece of paper that'll get you an interview at the job you want.

>a better routine or methods that aid in retaining information


mind telling who that was?


Like the others have mentioned, while self-study is great, it is a battle not only to absorb the materials being learned, but also against yourself to deny the worst of you that may arise in the absence of the expectations of others. You only have yourself answer to and at the same time you can change your goals if you wanted to so that it would be logically consistent for you to stop studying whatever you decided to study at the beginning. It's harder to justify that kind of sudden flip flopping when you're in an environment like university and forced to do things you may not like or else you've wasted time and money going there.


As someone who was homeschooled (by extremely religious parents that I strongly disagree with) I think I have a fairly unique perspective on this.

It worked pretty well for me, personally. I slayed in high school, because I was interested and motivated, so I scored high enough on standardized tests to get full tuition at a state school. Once there, I started behind everyone else, who already had college credit. However, even though I was behind them, I did well enough to get magna cum laude by virtue of the fact that when there were poor teachers I could teach myself, and that I was motivated.

So to answer your question: totally depends. If you want jobs, probably falling in line and doing what the man wants is in your best interest, if you want to know things, well, I've become proficient in multiple engineering fields (to the point where I have worked in them for several years) just by teaching myself. My real degree is engineering, so I can't claim _zero_ prior knowledge, but no more than three credit hours in them.

Not your professors fault you're studying BS material. There really is no substitute for learning from a qualified individual (co-worker or professor) when facts are involved. Also if "everyone is dumber than you," you're probably in the wrong school, or just hanging out with the wrong people. Challenge yourself.