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No.5041

I need a book to help me get over my overwhelming fear of death and the void. I have tried religion, but I feel like once I stopped believing in one, they all became false. I just really, really need some books to help me out. Books on the meaning of life without God, etc. are also helpful.

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  No.5044

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  No.5070

>>5041
The flesh is weak, change it.death is a disease, cure it. extinction is coming, fight it - Eclipse Phase

  No.5078

>>5041
Where were you before you were born? That's where you will return. No big deal.

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>>5041

You don't need a book anon, you just need to read and think about what i'm about to write below.

This idea changed my life for the better a few years back when I stumbled on it while laying on my back staring at the ceiling.

Here you are:

* Go ahead and think about what death is. You will eventually come to the conclusion that it's a state of non existence.
* Understand that you didn't exist in the year 1000, and realise that fact has never been a problem for you
* Then think about how you won't exist in the year 3000
* Then ask yourself the following:

>if your non existence wasn't a problem for you in the past, then why should it be so in the future?


>the answer is that it won't.


Now go live your life with a new found sense of freedom.

  No.5088

>>5087
>you don't need knowledge from the book, but knowledge from me is okay
shady, but i agree partially, books are like shortcuts, why won't you take a long path sometimes?

I guess i'll go with (kinda)Buddhist route.
OP, think about it. you have a lit candle. The fire slowly melts it slowly. Is it the same fire as before?
I guess i know it's little overused, but that's what worked for me. You'll be still around, just in different form after death. And you will lose your ego or something, no biggie.
Though, when i talked with a friendo he got a little mad when i explained to him that thing about ego, he firmly believes that his consciousness is everything he is, can't deny he's right to some extent. It's just a matter of perspective.

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  No.5090

>>5087
Just wanted to let you know, this opened my eyes a bit.

  No.5091

"Death is followed by a black nothingness, same as whatever was before life" seems to be a very common conception. Apparently some people spend large amounts of time to come to this conclusion, and is in some way groundbreaking for them. My main problem with this is that it's still too specific. While a black void is not as restrictive as most religious ideas of afterlife, it has characteristics that are arbitrarily assigned, namely the initial sensations of a lack of light or sound, thus black, still, etc. However it only takes a sensory deprivation session to see that black is not the color of no light, and silence is not what no sound sounds like; it's just the first 5 minutes, and just like the hallucinations that follow, they are products of the brain. Death takes that brain out, so there's nothing left to hallucinate the black, silent void thing. It's probably safest to say that death's color, sound, and general feel is in fact chaos (which itself needs a little clarification).
There's a bunch of mythologies that get the idea of chaos surprisingly well, but they are still prone to a modern audience misinterpreting the word and thus turning the entire mythology into bullsoykaf. It's a mistake as easy as thinking that chaos=disorder. It's not; disorder=disorder perhaps, order being the opposite of disorder. Chaos includes both, and thus defies both the descriptions of "ordered" and "disordered" (even that of "random"). It also describes any other kind of description, including the one I'm giving right now. Since some people cannot wrap their heads around the difference between explicit disorder (it must not contain order) and chaotic (cannot tell if can contain order or disorder or anything), they just assume the two things to be the same. It's the same sort of phenomenon that turned a huge part of buddhism - which supposedly opposes any form of dogma fiercely - ridiculously dogmatic.
So, my point with all this chaos talk is that the state before/after death is not like a black void, or like anything. It's like chaos but only in the sense that it defies description, you cannot grab the essence of it, and neither can I. So basically any, even opposing descriptions are valid, from every religion or non-religion. You could probably make one up right now and it would also be valid. But at the same time none of them are, and there's absolutely no way to derive any conclusions from what death is like. Thus your fearful attitude towards death is without any base, but so would be any other attitude. Feel free to feel whatever about it, because it's not any more accurate or hilarious than any other attitude. I'm out.

  No.5113

>>5043

This helps a little.

>>5078
>>5087

This kind of rhetoric never helped me, it's the process of dying and then just being gone, never being able to do everything in life I had wanted to do. That's my fear. Not of actually being gone.

>>5044

Will read this

>>5069

Man, I really hope Cryonics would really work, fam. But it would be a little odd to wake up later in an entirely different society. I wonder how one would adjust to that.

  No.5115

Nietzsche. Hiedegger. Marx. Foucault.

enjoy being a super alt-kid.

  No.5116

>>5115
>Nietzsche. Hiedegger. Marx. Foucault.

especially nietzsche.

  No.5117

Plato's Apology to ge a sense of Socratic dialogues, then Phaedo.

  No.5118

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>>5113

The library there contains literature on every aspect of cryonics to a substantial level of detail. Your concerns about awakening in a unfamiliar place are well warranted, but can be dealt with factually based on the probable conditions of revival.

I cannot remember exactly where they(alcor) discuss that issue specifically, I believe it is in the FAQ.

None the less, I highly recommend taking the bet on the experimental group as opposed to the control, Better to be safe than sorry IMO.

The cost is actually quite reasonable if you pay with life insurance.

My dues + life insurance costs me 38 dollars a month, about what I used to spend on online game subscriptions before I grew out of them a bit. :P

Pic related....

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  No.5120

>>5113
Additionally, if you read the cryopreservation contract, you will find that Alcor is equipped for long term rehabilitation and reintegration into society after the patients are revived. The Patient Care Trust is a durable long term solution to your concern if I understand it correctly.

Hope this helps, Having a tangible solution to impending non existence is an extremely empower sensation for me personally, I often joke with my friends that I am frosty the snowman, and while I might melt in the summer of their youth, I may well return in the winter of their old age.

The joke loses humor and context via the wired, I hope it finds you well lain. lol

  No.5122

>>5120
Is it typical for this kind of crap to get posted without anyone mocking it? I mean, seriously?

It is just some guy trying to scam people or possibly a sad person who got scammed unintentionally creating more victims.