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No.1412

i keep opening and closing reddit and news.ycombinator. i dont even vist many subreddits so more than not im just constantly opening and closing /r/all for new worthless soykaf to procrastinate to.

  No.1414

I know that situation. The only way to counter that is to switch off your computer completely and do offline things instead (doing sports, reading books).
If you have to be at the computer for some reason (college) think about buying a cheap netbook that's never connected to the internet and work on that.
That's the way I got myself out.

  No.1419

>>1412
it acts as a drug, or rather, gambling addiction.
https://journal.thriveglobal.com/how-technology-hijacks-peoples-minds-from-a-magician-and-google-s-design-ethicist-56d62ef5edf3

same reason as why you're looking on your smartphone every half minute to check for new messages.

for your brain, it's the same as pulling the lever on a slot machine.

what i do:
* no smartphone (might be already impossible for you)
* adblock/hosts-block those websites
* if there's something you really want to still get content from, use an rss reader that gives you the overview once a day or something like this

knowing it's a gambling addiction already helps for a while. not for long tho.

  No.1420

>>1419
I didn't read the article linked, but the field that study this is called "behaviorism". You can fix this behavior using punishments:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Behaviorism

  No.1423

>>1412
maybe you're just bored?

i do that too, simply hoping that i'll see/find something interesting but i end up repeating in my head
>i've seen this already
>fuarrrk off with this soykaf
>i don't care
>same soykaf again

try trying out new things for a change, it works for me

  No.1426

Strive to not lie, especially with what you say to yourself. As you want to be able to find what it is that engages you the most in the present, what captures you, and you can only know that if you can trust yourself with what you feel. Figuring out what the truth is seems far more difficult, but we, humans, generally get a kind of gut feeling when something were doing is wrong; listen to that. That is, whatever sounds like a lie, don't say it, don't do it, and don't act it out; avoid it.

When you find yourself clicking away, skimming, not reading, beguiled, ask yourself: "What is it like to be fooled? What is it like to keep clicking away? What's it like to not read something in depth or to read a book?" Ask yourself questions about your current context. This creates a frame where you're viewing yourself viewing something and you're able to question it and step back, aiding yourself in questioning actions, thoughts, and such.

Procrastination seems to me to be a combination of a lack of engagement and lying, or self-deception. So, as Jordan Peterson repeats, we must watch ourselves and see what were doing. If we can figure out what engages us the most, what causes us to enter mindless repetition, we can do something about it.

A trick I've recently caught onto is that when I'm not engaged in something that I feel should be engaging, I observe that feeling and negotiate with myself, and attempt to say the truth. An example being "I really wish I was interested in this math book, everyone else is. Well, I'm not. How about I say the reason for reading this is to start something and finish it, and that accomplishment generally gives me a good feeling. I can do that." - You cannot be a tyrant towards yourself in my mind. You can, but what I experience is failure when I try something of pure will, as will is either distracted or lost[1]. Instead I come up with some reason I can be happy with and I ignore whatever lie is being said in my mind.

As you give yourself reasons, you'll come to accumulate obligations. I don't believe in setting "small goals", as for myself, I aim to an overly high goal, as that falls in line with aiming towards god (in a symbolic sense). With your accumulation of obligations, you'll come to see a need for a routine, a life sustaining one. This boils down to basic advice such as a good sleep pattern, eating meals, drinking water, doing certain things for certain amounts of time etc.

Now, with all that said, you might think "I can't do this, and it's probably bullsoykaf." The thing is, try it, see how it works. Take a leap of faith in aiming towards god and the good. It's not motivation, it's work, but you'll be a lot better than you currently are which I hypothesize is a nasty state of nihilism.

Do not try; do.[2]

[1] lesswrong.com/lw/kao/willpower_depletion_vs_willpower_distraction
[2] http://lesswrong.com/lw/uh/trying_to_try/ http://lesswrong.com/lw/ui/use_the_try_harder_luke/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-RCtSsxhb2Q

  No.1427

When I was without internet for a few days I would just sit around like lain in her bear suit. The boredom would crawl upon me and since I had no internet, I had to do something else. I did some stuff that I'd be putting off, and I realized that boredom is not really a bad thing. It prompts us to do the things that we would be procrastinating on otherwise.
The problem with screens, is that we recur to them to ease boredom. As we all know here, it doesn't always work, but they provide enough stimulation to keep us from getting to the point where we start doing stuff. Apparently, the expectation or possibility that something interesting may come up is enough to keep our attention.
So turn off the computer, or unplug it from the internet. Set yourself a schedule for it: perhaps browse reddit only at night when you're done with everything else.
You'll have the itch telling you to use the computer, because you'll be bored, but try to remember that there is nothing at all worth seeing (or it can wait) on your regular internet sessions: you just refresh a few familiar sites in hopes of something new and there's rarely something interesting: thus, it won't ease boredom.
Works for me, kinda.