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The Sticky: /Ω/ 2.0

This is new /Ω/, also addressable as /tech/, the technology board. The intent is that this board will be used to discuss use of technology and software and to share findings related to such. This includes single and multi user general computers, system administration, embedded devices, operating system software, program configuration, and computer networking.

Discussion of software intimately related to or in a context relating to programming belongs in /λ/; discussion of circumventing restrictions and security in software or hardware belongs in /sec/. Discussion of modifications to hardware and similar actions may be more appropriate on /Δ/; a thread in each or either board for this is reasonable and allowed.

Discussion of video games and game consoles, including personal computer games, demoscenes, and other types of artistic software will belong in the /culture/ overboard.

Do not start petty arguments about hardware or software; all discussions on the merit of one choice over another must be elaborated upon in accordance with the global rules. Do not share configurations of hardware or software without accompanying comments sharing details such as the state of such a configuration and whatnot. Confine discussions about categories of software, such as window managers, to a single thread.

Hack the planet, console cowboy.
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Shall we have a thread on buying discontinued technology?
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IPFS General

Huh... where do I start...
What is IPFS?
IPFS(Inter Planetary File System) is a new Peer to Peer distributed web file system protocol that aims to replace the aging HTTP protocol. It aims to be a peer to peer, permanent, hypermedia content addressable file distribution protocol.(Thereby also replacing FTP in many use cases)

Imagine a web where you don't have to pay for hosting your simple static webpage/blog. A web where latency is minimised because instead of downloading from a server on another continent, you can just download it from your neighbor or roommate if he has that content. A web where distributed web apps will continue working even if your ISP is having major breakage.A web that will reverse the process of the centralisation of the internet and make it completely decentralised. A web where content won't be lost so easily by a failure of a single server and links won't break by changing a single letter in the path. A web that you can mount locally on your FUSE and manipulate with the files on it as if they were locally.

In some ways, IPFS is similar to the World Wide Web, but IPFS could be seen as a single BitTorrent swarm, exchanging objects within one Git repository.

In short... IPFS will hopefully become the web 3.0 one day.

NOTE: IPFS is still in ALPHA. At least a quarter of it's features are not even implemented yet.

Cool, but how do I get IPFS to work on my machine?

First you have to download the correct package from:

1) After you have downloaded the binary, you have to unpack it in it's own directory. And then enter the directory.
2) Now you can install it with:
sudo ./install.sh
sudo mv go-ipfs/ipfs /usr/local/bin/ipfs
3) Now IPFS is installed. However it needs to be initialised. Initialisation will make a repository at ~/.ipfs.
ipfs init
4) Now you are ready to start the IPFS daemon:
ipfs daemon
5) You can check your connection to the swarm with:
ipfs swarm peers

If when you start the IPFS daemon you get a 'bind: address already in use' error then you need to first learn the PID of the process that is using the deafult IPFS port and then kill it:
sudo netstat -tulpn | grep 8080
sudo kill -9 [PID]

0)The installation on WIndows is fairly similar as on Linux. However it si slightly different. Well. first you need to unpack the file ofc. Now:
1) Open a command prompt and enter:
echo %path%
Choose the appropriate folder out of those where you will put ipfs.exe
2) Copy ipfs.exe in the chosen folder.
3) Initialise the IPFS repo:
ipfs init
4) Start the IPFS daemon:
ipfs daemon
5) Check your connection to the swarm:
ipfs swarm peers
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PlayOnLinux and .NET Framework 4

Until /sci/ or /tech/ return, or if they ever return at all, I'd like to share something with the Lainchan community here.

If you are on Linux and need to install .NET Framework 4 within Wine, I have found out how. If you run the install script in PlayOnLinux, it likely returns an error message because of file mismatches. I think I know a workaround. Download the .NET Framework 4 file.


>Download the stand-alone file, not the web installer.

In PlayOnLinux, make a 32 bit virtual drive, use Wine version 2.5 and configure wine as Windows 7.

>This may work for 64 bit POL virtual drives and it may work with the 64 bit version of .NET Framework 4, but I have not tested this.

Now, if you are using Ubuntu or Mint, set each of these files to 0.

Now, run the .NET Framework 4 .exe in the virtual drive. It should install and work, and any applications that use it should work. I have had no problems. This may be common knowledge to many of you, but for those like me who do not know, I hope this helps.
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Check the catalog before you make a general Linux thread, most likely it already exists. Don't start threads to ask anon which distribution you should install. Try them yourself.


Not Linux-
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Android SMS apps?

Since hangouts won't support SMS anymore I need to find a new SMS app for my spy device.

Can you tell me some good ones?
I am hoping for something out of the ordinary. Plus points if it is free software. Extra plus point's if it's GPL licensed.
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Sway WM.

>TFW i3wm will never support Wayland due to being too dependent on X, and requiring a complete rewrite for Wayland support.

However there is sway WM:

It aims to be a drop in replacement for i3wm but with wayland support and some of it's own goodies.

Has anyone of you ever tried Sway? I'm just asking before I attempt the plunge into it.
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Computer technology sucks

We don't yet have any /tech/ board but I want to talk in lainchan about this.

After just a few years inmersed into programming and related stuff, I've come to deeply detest the whole state of the computer and programming industries in general.
To begin with, the Web. It is like kicking dead whales down the beach, web browsers are bloated, vulnerable, and constantly leaking memory (and possibly your data). Yet it's the main medium of communication available. If you want some communication with the world, including the access to a lot of useful information, we are trapped with this nightmare called the Web. Let's add to this a thing called massive user espionage and how hard it is to trust that your communications have barely reasonable privacy.
Then comes the insane complexity found in operating systems and hardware. A horrible architecture full of back doors, operating systems that can barely stand and have a soykafload of moving parts, all from independent vendors, and a bunch of proprietary drivers that further complicate matters.
Even the best case scenario implies using something like GNU on a x86 processor, usually with X and possibly even firefox or some of it's zillion clones that do not make things any better. (either that or something like webkit, lain forbid). All the time while on the lookup for another heartbleed.

I get more and more frustrated every day with the whole state of computers that every step of the way I just want to give it all up and forget about it. It's really a race to the bottom.
I have seen some people talk about isolating from the whole world, make their own architectures, and make their own operating systems. It really doesn't sound like a crazy idea anymore.
Right now I'm using Fedora for reasons, and I keep wondering how it is possible for software to suck so badly and keep pulling pranks on me all the time and be so fuarrrking sluggish. And the problem is, if I wanted to use my favorite system, I would be limited in some ways because proprietary drivers, GNU, etcetera. And if I wanted to have a decent setup, I'd be largely unable to use the Web at all because javascript and terrible formatting. I hate this, and often it makes me want to just drop it all and live as far as possible from modern technology.
It feels as if everything was being made soykaftier and soykaftier on purpose, just for the sake of annoying people because now everything is a nasty hack waiting to break. It really, really is like kicking dead whales down the beach.

I wonder how other lainons feel about this, it's hard to have a balance with usability where the whole ecosystem is a terrible hack just waiting to blow up.
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How about we have a home/amateur local networking general?
I recently acquired a Cisco Catalyst 3560G Ethernet switch, and I'd like to set it up as part of my home network. I've gone through the Cisco quick start guide, connected my desktop and whatnot yet I still can't get a connection to the internet. I have it (the switch) plugged with a CAT6 to my slave router with the default gateway as (my master router) and in the same subnet mask as the master[spoiler][/spoiler]. Am I missing a step? Sorry if this is a really simple question.
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I don't have my own, so I hope its ok that I posted someone elses because I just want the thread back.
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/tpg/ - ThinkPad General

IRC: #/tpg/ on irc.rizon.net

Other business laptops are also welcome in /tpg/ (e.g. Dell Latitude/Precision, HP EliteBook/ZBook).
If you're looking for purchase advice, READ THE BUYERS GUIDE FIRST. Then post, stating budget and requirements (e.g. size and performance).
Don't buy anything OTHER THAN T, X AND W/P SERIES if you want the Real ThinkPad Experience™

Recommended models:
T420 - 14", normal size
X220 - 12.5", ultraportable
Why ThinkPad? (also applies to other business laptops)
>Used machines are plentiful and cheap.
>Excellent keyboards - tactile feel and quiet.
>Great durability: chassis uses a magnesium rollcage for structural integrity, with high quality plastic body panels.
>Utilitarian design: e.g. indicator LEDs, 7 row keyboard layout on older models.
>Docking stations that easily turns your laptop into a desktop.
>Easy to repair, upgrade and maintain thanks to readily available service manuals for every model. Spare parts are easy and cheap to obtain.
>The best trackpoint (that red thing in the middle of the keyboard). Great for those who type a lot or hate swiping their fingers all over a touchpad.
>Excellent GNU/Linux & *BSD support.
Used ThinkPad buyers guide:

xsauc buyers guide:

EPP discount for new ThinkPads (USA & Canada only, usually 15%+ off):

Helpful links and resources (Wiki, lookup tools and wallpapers):
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the old one is on autosage and stuff. post new photos only.
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Libreboot Considering To Rejoin GNU

LINK TO REDDIT THREAD: https://www.reddit.com/r/libreboot/comments/66tdds/proposal_for_libreboot_rejoin_gnu_community/

I, Leah Rowe, am seeking to submit a proposal to GNU for Libreboot to re-join the GNU project. It was previously a member of GNU between 14 May 2016 to 15 September 2016.

Before I make this decision, as a result of democratic decision making in Libreboot nowadays, I need to see a lack of overall opposition from other maintainers (willingness to remain in the project after joining GNU, means that there is no meaningful opposition), and a substantial level of support by the public. The purpose of this Reddit thread is precisely to gauge public support for this decision, and based on that, whether to proceed. This is different than before, and reflects Libreboot's new democratic style of decision making. It will only be done with community approval.

Libreboot left GNU on 15 September 2016, with a string of allegations and slander thrown at the FSF for a topic unrelated to Libreboot. Chaos ensued, and Libreboot's relations with FSF and GNU were heavily damaged. All of it was unnecessary. What happened should not have happened, and I'd rather not talk about it in detail in this thread, but suffice it to say, Libreboot should have never left GNU.

On April 2nd, 2017, Libreboot issued a letter of peace to the community. It can be seen here, along with my own public apology for certain actions which I took during the period of September 2016 to the end of March 2017:


Libreboot now has a more democratic leadership, and major decisions are made with direct community involvement. Several people have access to the Libreboot project via SSH into libreboot.org, and push access to the Git repository. Patches (including those from me) are now pushed to branches and go under code review before being merged into the main development branch.

Libreboot is now operating in the same way that it was before joining GNU, with the exception of the above infrastructural changes, working closely in alliance with FSF and GNU, while being separate in its own administration and acting under its own independent guidance. While this is healthy, it is far from ideal for the LIbreboot project. In my opinion, we are better off operating directly under GNU.

I am strongly considering whether to submit an application for Libreboot to re-join the GNU project, and I'm leaning towards a "yes" decision. The current stable release (version 20160907) of Libreboot is from while Libreboot was a GNU member, and the infrastructure that Libreboot used from GNU (mailing lists, and the redirect from gnu.org/s/libreboot to libreboot.org) is still in place. If Libreboot were to re-join GNU, then it all falls into place and the project can continue as though it never left GNU in the first place. The conditions under which I removed Libreboot from GNU would not, if similar issues came up in the future, cause a 2nd exit. If Libreboot re-joins GNU, it joins GNU permanently and a repeat of prior chaotic events will not occur. Similar drama will not happen again. Libreboot is now only about Libreboot development, and nothing else.
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Simple software thread

What is some (useful) piece of software that is written to be as simple as possible?
I'll cite some:
alternative to xlock:
alternative to xterm:
clipboard from command line:
mouse from keyboard:
image viewer:
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What does /tech/ think about Pico 8?
Its a "virtual 8 bit console", fantasy hardware that carries all the limitations of 8 bit machines but you can only program games in lua1
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Recommend a good mobile phone, surveillance free

>inb4 hurr stay off the grid
Just to get that shit out of the way.

Now, is there a mobile phone out there that isn't tied to apple or google?

A smartphone without all the information scraping bullshit and useless apps. (pretty much rules out all apple products and exploding korean phones)

Not looking for a burner. I just want a phone that isn't a glorified tracking device or at least gives me some privacy when I use it.

I may or may not use it to send dick pics, but still.


yours truly,
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VR Rooms

Do you know of any virtual reality online spaces that you can create your own server on? I'm thinking something like that for lainchan would be very fitting. If not then we could probably cobble something together.
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Technical Talk Thread

This is the technical talk thread, meant for simple questions relevant to the board.

If you have a question that can't sustain a long thread, ask here instead, unless you have a good reason to start a new thread.

As always, research before asking anything.
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Multiple Monitors

So how many monitors do the lains use?

I remember reading somewhere that adding a second monitor increases general productivity by 30% and adding a third increases it further to 45%. Beyond that the diminishing returns can actually turn into loss of productivity as it becomes untenable to manage them all.

After I started using three monitors a few years ago, I just can't bring myself to use one even if it's 4K. It's just not the same. You still end up alt-tabbing, windowing, and scanning your cluttered taskbar just as much as one 1080p. It's like memory buffer overflow IRL.

I can't wrap my mind around how some programmers still use one monitor. How do you do it?

P.S. This isn't a "show your battlestation" thread. Feel free to post yours if you'd like, but the purpose of the post is to start a meta discussion around displays and productivity and workflows.
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What browser(s) do you lainons use and why?

I usually go with K-Meleon because of how lightweight and customizable it is.
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How does lainchan use RSS? I've been trying to find a good reader, but haven't been all too lucky.

In my opinion, RSS is a good stepping stone away from the botnet. I get a good feeling knowing that I am in a way eating the bait off the hook while not getting caught by the fisherman. I get exactly what I want while minimizing ads, distracting comment sections, and third party trackers.

One day I want my RSS feed to be my internet and when I have finished reading it I will be "done" for the day.
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Mechanical Keyboards

What keyboards do Lainons use? More importantly, does it matter to you?
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What will come after flat design?

I am beginning to get bored with flat minimalism in GUI visual design.

I wonder what you lains think will come after it?
I am thinking about whether or not I should keep using minimalism in my rice for a bit longer or if I should try rericing my stuff into some gothic/victorian style. Perhaps something goth-loli (FYI goth-loli is in no way lolicon, it doesn't even have to contain children).

IMHO one of the few good things about minimalism that I can think of ATM is that it is hard to make it look really ugly. i.e. someone who is a noob at visual design can still make something minimalist and make it look nice.
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Mainly I2P. Does anyone here use it? How the fuarrrk am I supposed to find any eepsites for this soykaf? I found a random directory although most of the sites are in russian or just retarded in general. Anyone know of any chans or forums on i2p?
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/AbanG/ - Abandonware General

Lets have a thread on abandonware.
What's your favorite abandonware game, program, OS? Why do you like it? Ask questions on hardware software, emulation, ect and let other anons answer them. Put a spotlight on an interesting abandonware project. Whatever! If its old and like 3 people use it, it belongs n this thread.
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Good Tabs?

Greetings all. Perhaps my fellow Lainons can assist me.

I am currently seeking a tablet. My only requirements are
>x86 or x64 CPU, either one.
>Must have a Legacy BIOS that can boot Linux related distros and Windows 10 from a flash drive.
>Must be at minimum 7 inches.

Price is not a restraining factor, but I do prefer to keep it at or under $300 USD. Can anybody recommend to me what I am looking for? I tried an RCA tablet, but it couldn't boot flash Linux distro flash drives because of a crappy EUFI firmware and apparently RCA doesn't release drivers for their tabs.
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sticker thread

Laptop stickers anyone?
I peeled this one from a beer bottle.
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Big vs Small Storage Drive

So, fellow lainons, do you prefere a big (Over 1TB) hard drive/storage drive to run your computer's OS, or small one (under 1TB)?

Personally, I prefere a small 500GB hard drive for my computer's OS, and a bigass 4TB hard drive to maintain 500GB backups.

>What do you think, lainons?
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macOS Sierra

Could an apple user please upload the .app file for macOS Sierra to laintracker? If you don't already have it you can download it from the store. I need to run it in a VM, but don't have access to an actual Apple machine at the moment. I'd really appreciate it, lain!
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I'm really, really surprised I haven't seen any discussion of ZeroNet on here yet. Cryptographically verified decentralized distribution of web applications. I think this kind of thing is exactly what we need to re-democratize the net, moving away from corporate owned silos. Especially for sites whose biggest costs are infrastructure and bandwidth.
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Desktop thread. >>34132 is locked and >>32046 reached reply limit.
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IT Careers Thread

Hello lainons. Since you're on such a site I assume some of you make money doing something computer related.

Personally I used to supervise a help desk but just got a job administering debian servers and using puppet a bit. It's going to start off as grunt work but it's a step in the right direction. (If you're reading this, thanks for the ref JS :) )

If you work professionally in the Information Technology field, please share your responsibilities or what sort of fun stuff you work on!
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100% Linux Now!

Alright guys, I gotta brag for a moment.

So, I started Linux a while back, but had to dual boot Windows 10 for some pro audio stuff, namely Guitar Rig 5. Today, I finally got that soykaf working right!

>Linux Mint 18 XFCE

>All audio gear works
>Wine is doing great
>PCSX2 is running 100% at 60 frames per second
>Now, I am running Linux 100% as a main system.

Nothing felt better than wiping my 1TB hard drive with Windows on it and installing the distro. The ex4 filesystem seems to be faster than ntfs and XFCE seems to be lightweight enough. Needless to say, I'm a happy lainon.
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Cybernetics, Technology & Capitalism

I want to talk with you about how cybernetics and technology is attacking us and our future. So before we start i recommend to read this https://capulcu.blackblogs.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/54/2015/12/BandII-enbooklet.pdf first. I think its the best way to synchronize ourselfes to go in a discussion.

The big question is how we fight against it and how we raise more attention about it.

Further Informations:
Tiqqun aka The Invisible Comitee "The Cybernetic Hypothesis" https://theanarchistlibrary.org/library/tiqqun-the-cybernetic-hypothesis
Joseph Weizenbaum "Computer Power and Human Reason: From Judgment To Calculation"
Documentary "Plug & Pray" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ecPEkG2Pclg
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Protesting the Modern Laptop Design

This is something that I assume most of you are participating in by having used Thinkpads, etc.

How feasible is this going to be headed into the future? Our hardware is slowly being outdated and no new alternatives are coming to fruition.

I am worried that the capitalist battle for the "slimmest" model will continue to push things thinner, less ports, chiclet keyboards, and throttling, etc.

I struggle with constant want to move forward and have a nicer screen, nicer battery life, etc.. but I have a hard time coming to terms with giving up the ergonomic keyboard, comfort, and the general anti-consumerism-like nature of refusing to buy new and focusing on old tech.

What happens when the X220 and the T420, etc, aren't good enough anymore? What can we move onto or focus on next?
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G as in gentoo

Any /gentoo/men here?

In the past, I've used only Debian/Arch based distro, and as I tried Gentoo I found myself quite uncomfortable.

What I don't really get is Portage and how the USE flags are supposed to be comfy and convenient.

Anyone minds to explain?
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How do I get Linux to look like this?

Hey Lainons,

I've been thinking of jumping the ship completly to Linux soon, as most of what I do can be done on Linux bit better. Probably Arch if I can finally get it to work, or maybe Fedora.

Anyway, my question is how do I get my Linux machine to look like pic related? Preferably with more blue than orange.

Image stolen from https://lainchan.org/tech/res/33216.html#q34755
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What's the recommended linux command for filtering piped output ? If I have a command that outputs something like:

gym_las 9/200

Can I pipe this into something so the output is just 9 ?
should I look intro grep and regex ?
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Post examples of things running on machines that they were never intended to run on. Games get this treatment quite a bit, but I imagine there's been quite a bit of this done with other stuff as well. I really liked the idea of machines being refitted or reused for a different purpose.
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greybeard confessions

lets hear it. Greybeard vents, rants, and confessions from veteran devops, sysadmins, and programmers alike who are done with the buzzwords and bullsoykaf. shall I begin?

chat-ops is garbage that started popping up four years ago when startups needed another circle-jerk buzzword to prove theyre really truly "agile." applications like mattermost and slack are to online communication as the infotainment system in a modern car is to actual information or entertainment. IRC, git, gerrit, asterisk and other technologies follow the proper ethos of "do one thing and do it well" while avoiding the glaring pitfall of "hyperconvergence" which is that once you lose the server, youve lost half a dozen services. meanwhile these autism spectrum "team communication suites" combine video, audio, chat, code editing, commit hook integration and containers (because docker is a meme) into a single shreiking 100Mb application, complete with emoji support for snowflakes.
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Amazon argues that Alexa has First Amendment rights.


Thoughts? I'm fairly divided: I love this in principle but am unsure how to feel about the execution (no pun intended.)

Who else the Second Rennaisance here?

I'm very sleep deprived at the moment so I'm not much for articulating my response to this at the moment, but I'd love to hear other's thoughts and jump in after a nap.
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Distributed Discussion System

It would be entirely possible to host a distributed discussion system just like Usenet using the same protocol. I didn't understand this until I looked it up, but Usenet is just a network of servers running NNTP software that syncs messages across the entire network. This is also the principle behind NNTPChan when referred to as the network itself, not the software by the same name, which is also just a few loosely connected servers that form a chan. Just think, anything is possible: your own local network for you and your friends, your favorite community ;), or for any other reason you want.
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DOS graphic shell 2017

I wonder, would a project, attempting to make open sourced Windows ME analog, be ever needed?
Do people need a fancy shell over 16-bit DOS in 2017?
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Lainchan wiki

Would it be work creating a Lainchan wiki? Or would we just be reinventing the wheel?

I was thinking we could have one that encompasses info from all the boards. Or should we just carry on using things like


I'm not sure I just thought lains have a lot more information worth sharing.
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Script Sharing Thread

This might be a post better suited to /λ/ but I thought I'd post it here first.

What scripts have you found/written which you find paticularly useful? (Pic related)
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So, how does the new Ryzen products from AMD handle Linux? Unless its God-like support, I'm sticking to my Intel Nvidia setup.

The next PC I build will likely be for audio and video production, not gaming anyway.
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Do you guys use any plugins to make browsing lainchan easier? I used to use 4chanX when I used to hang out there I was wondering if anyone use anything similar for lainchan?
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Best/easiest Linux distro(s) without SystemD?

I've been going at it with Linux for a good while now but I've mostly stuck to the it just werks stuff (Mint, Ubuntu, Antergos).

Now I'm getting another secondhand laptop I was thinking of trying some new stuff & one of the things I wanted to try out was an OS without systemD.
I still don't like spending ages setting up & figuring stuff out to get going. I want to do it but like to do so at my leisure (not because I need it for a decent system) & get to know a bit of everything service manager or init scripts included.

So what's the most "user friendly" distro out there that hasn't given in to SystemD yet?
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Retro Linux nostalgia

Today there is so much retro nostalgia going on, and since us 90's kids are now grown up, 90's stuff is now considered retro. However, for whatever reason there is not much retro Linux nostalgia going on.
This is all that I have found:

So pull out your 0.99x kernels and show me some retro Linux!
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(name liable to future change)

There is a new imageboard-software concept in the works. Addressing the problem of powerful moderating positions being compromised and soykafting up the board against the will of board communities and their established board culture.
(See: 4chan, 8/b/, 8/pol/, 8/wx/ etc.)
>Nothing that isn't spam or illegal is deleted, ever. You can subscribe to different moderation teams (and bots) to have the soykaf filtered to your liking. There would be a default moderation team for each board but the default would change if the majority changed the moderators they subscribed to.
>To keep normal people from freaking the fuarrrk out a default profile of moderation subscriptions will be applied by default, the default moderation will be decided by an impartial algorithm that takes in to account the moderation most users in a board choose, weighting the chooses by activity.

Unfortunately there is a shortage of skilled /tech/anons who are willing to assist in the planning and development of this new imageboard concept, which is holding back development.

If you're interested in assisting in the development of this new imageboard concept, please go to
If the link is broken, try checking the catalog on
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RAID General

I'm looking for a RAID controller card (cus my soykaf HP Z200 MB won't see bigger than 746GB drives!)

I need 4xSATA 6GB/s and support for RAID 0,1,5,6,10
Whats the cheapest card out there that fits?

Lets expand this into best RAID/storage configs and RAID general too.

Little Note on RAID:
RAID 5 with large drives is becoming less reliable - if you have 3x8TB drives and 1 fails - you need ALL the data on the other 2 drives to be 100% - or you loose everything... chances are on 2x8TB you might have a bad bit somewhere... Which is why I either RAID 10 or 6 (most the time) depending on if its an archive or live use.
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Hi, I started a small business and I need to create prospect data bases. For that I am using my best Google-fu but I would like to know if there is any software or tricks capable of boosting my search's results.
Right know boolean strings are the only tool I'm using to find potential clients (other companies).
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Thoughts on Nextcloud and Owncloud

Hello, Lain.
What are your thoughts on nextcloud/ownclod for running your own cloud server at home?
I am thinking of buying a raspberry pi and use nextcloud on it to sync files betwen my tablet, phone and laptop. I use an iPhone so I can't use KDEConnect for everything.
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Ideal Network and Devices

Let's do a little thought experiment, lains! What's your idea of the best possible internet replacement, and how would the devices connected to it behave, what would their design be, etc. Feel free to ignore today's limitations on technology if you like, and go as high-level or as low-level as you like. This thread is only meant to be a discussion in hypothetical terms, but if any of it happens to be practical that's fine too.

Pic related because Ideal Forms
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Chat apps rant...

Every month or so one of my friends tries to convince me to install the latest chat apps. I mean, if I install every chat app that people reccomended to me, it would be in the tens of dozens. It's annoying. So I either just flat out reject them, or begrudgingly install the app. Even a lainon convinced me to use pidgin, and another one mumble, I haven't even used pidgin since, nor had any wish to. I think about mumble every month or so but I don't want to bother.

My real issue though is that 99% of those applications are cookie cutter levels of similar. They are functionally the same thing when compared to ICQ from 1996. OK, some of them have some encryption, which may or may not be soykafty, and they really should have encryption but I am digressing. Others that have video or voice calls are functionally the same thing as skype from 2003. OK I myself avoid skype because muh M$.

Why do people get this excited over constantly discovering new chat applications? Most of them did exactly the same thing for decades.

Mods: Sorry if this rant is too aggressive, if needed I will delete this even myself.
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alternative language for crypto

The free and open community urgent needs to explore a solution for developing crypto libraries and applications based on other programming languages, and interact with protocols as strict as possible.

I'm not an opponent of the C/C++, and I'm not interested to those opponents who crusades to eliminate Unix and C for a better computing world. I don't have much complaints about all those memory errors created by C/C++.

But in some cases, the cost of a memory error is just too high: It enables mass bypass and decryption of encrypted data on the Internet. But the cost to find such an error is very cheap, they're in possession by advisory en masse.

Another source of vulnerability comes from the loose implementation of crypto protocols, such as TLS, in order to support some legacy stuff (SSLv2 handshake and EXPORT ciphers, anyone?) that almost nobody uses, combined with memory errors, it's completely a disaster.

Actual algorithms, TWOFISH or AES, have less importance. What we really need is strict implementations of common crypto protocols, with safer (in term of memory) programming languages.

There's a research project, called "Not Quite So Broken", a quite accurate summary of our crypto nowadays, is fascinating. They have written an experimental implementation of the X.509 and TLS software stack, in OCaml, also an OTR library. They dropped legacy support and interpreted protocols strictly, and they found it is still able to access with 70% of HTTPS servers. The downside is that it seems to be inactive after their paper is published and reported. The community really needs someone to pick it up and maintain it as a long time effort, seriously, have the code audited, etc, and we need more projects like this.
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Desktop Thread

>>34134 reached reply limit, so here's the new desktop thread
Funtoo with i3wm and lemonbar

ps: any lainanons coming to SHA?
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What does Lainchan think of Ubuntu?

I've been trying out different kinds of Linux, and I've been having problems with some of the distros I've used (Currently using OpenSUSE 42.2 Tumbleweed, but when I install new software through YaST it doesn't show up for me to use). What has worked for me in the past is Ubuntu, however I'm wary of them due to the Amazon adware.

So what do you think of them Lainons? Is it okay, even with the Adware? Should I use them for now until I sort out my errors with OpenSUSE?
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Mandatory core/libreboot thread

Hello, lainons. I'm looking into getting a completely liberated laptop, like the ones many of have, I'm sure.

The obvious first choice is minifree.org, but their prices are just amazingly high, and the only computer they are selling right now is the x220. Is it worth it to pay 600 pounds for a libreboot install? Is it that hard? Have you bought anything from minifree and/or somebody else who sells these? And how much of a difference does it make, in your opinion, to have libreboot that is completely blobless, or a coreboot such as the one that has been made possible recently, where the ME is still on the board, but neutralized.

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Seperate /home partition on kubuntu

Hello, Lainons. I've been trying to switch from Linux Mint to Kubuntu while creating a new /home partition. Now, my laptop just boots into GRUB and I have no clue what to do next. During the installation I created two ext4 partitions selected one partition (the larger one) as the mount point for "/home" and the smaller one as the mount point for "/" then formatted both. Now, when I turn my laptop on, it just boots into GRUB. Can anybody point me in the right direction?
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Computers and software in school and workplace.

So I use Linux/BSD because I like them so it will be biased.

In my University we have good hardware with windows 10 and it's so slow and unstable. Today it did updates after being turned on in the morning and it took forever, why does it take so long?
In Linux it downloads in the background and the restart ( if necessary ) is usually not much longer than usual.

Login in takes several seconds and even when the desktop is up and I try to open a web-browser it takes second for it to open. I have been running simulation software for various things and it's so prone to crashing ( actual tools for engineers ). Last week I got to talk to an engineer at work showing of what he had, and it was a thin client for a server and it was so slow.

But I also find it strange that nobody else really complains, it seems like this is all people know so they accept it. I find it staggering that tools for simulations/building/counting for professionals aren't better. I don't expect Linux on things, but I expect things to react quickly when I do something and more or less never crash.

I've even been toying with the idea of getting a job dependent on what kind of hardware/software they run ( Don't even work in IT ).

Have I just been unlucky or is this just one of those things that everybody else thinks is normal?
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Password managers.

Hi lainons.

I wonder, how do you get used to the habit of using password managers?
Isn't it a hassle when you get to a public computer and need to log on somewhere?
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ethereum tokens

I've been getting more and more interested in Ethereum and the different Tokens created on it. the ones that seem interesting to me are 1ST (https://firstblood.io) which apparently lets you challenge people in e-sports for tokens and GNT (https://golem.network/) which will apparently allow people to rent out their cpu\gpu to render people's videos or whatever else people can think of and gain tokens as a reward.

What tokens are you interested in and what exchanges do you use for acquiring the tokens?
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building a PC

Hello Lainchan.
My dog knocked over my all-in-one this week, so my tech savvy friend convinced me to build my own PC. I don't want to shell out for windows 10 plus the optical drive that I need to load it, so I'll probably be running Linux, which I've never used before.
I'll eventually upgrade this navi with a more powerful CPU, GPU, RAM, SSD, optical drive, wireless card, ect, but right now I just need it run and browse the wired.


Is this dog soykaf? Can I go even cheaper? I didn't want to skimp on the mobo or powersupply, and I like the case.
how do I into Linux?
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How do i go back to using a regular desktop environment? years of using various tiling window managers have fuarrrked me up, fam.
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uni wifi

Do any of your anons have any experience installing a distro like arch while being only able to use uni wifi? I live in a dorm on campus right now Andy only have access to their eduroam wifi, and a single Ethernet cable that requires me to register my Mac address before I can use it. I was told to tether my phone to the computer through usb, but that didn't work out. Got any Ideas or advice?
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the Developer Preview of Android O is here!

>Background limits: Improved battery life and speed
>Notification channels - TL;DR notifications can be grouped into categories
>Autofill APIs - Native support for password manager apps
>PIP for handsets and new windowing features
>Font resources in XML
>Adaptive icons
>Wide-gamut color for apps
>Connectivity - Neighbor Awareness Networking, devices can communicate without the need for a wireless acess point
>Keyboard navigation
>AAudio API for Pro Audio
What do you guys think? I'm looking forward to it, even if most of the features aren't really consumer-facing. Sorry if this this seems like a dumb topic. I'm new to /tech/.
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Arch General

What are your guys preferred window managers, terminals and general utility tools?
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Will there ever be a rival to our x86_64 world of von Nuemann architecture? I mean, the bottleneck is real after all. But on the contrary, the big dogs like Intel have billions to spend and maintain there lead, production, research, etc..

Lisp Machine revival when?
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Backwards compatibility-Where's the sweet-spot?

So guys, what is your opinion on backwards compatibility? How old should an app be to be expecterd to work reasonably on a new OS?

Now obviously you can make an app that uses 0 external API's and that app will work for a pretty long time on any system, but I want the context of this post to be in the OS design context.

Ideally many people would like all apps to work eternally. While that is a nice idea, we all know how it ends up in reality. You add layers upon layers of boat called compatibility layers. Your innovation becomes close to 0 as you have to watch out for old standards, even some old de facto standards.

On the other hand we have the speedsters who are living on the bleeding edge. While that is also certainly a nice thing, in an extreme example it would be very uncomfy if most of your apps broke every month or so.

Windows is certainly closer to one end of the scale, while Linux is closer to the other.

Windows is generally known for its great backwards compatibility. You can be optimistic that most apps written for Windows 95 will work on Windows 10. They may not, but they probably will. Even older apps have a reasonable chance of working. However, anyone who knows his way around a computer knows that this is often a double edged sword. As I said, those compatibility layers and the stagnancy of the win32 API often add boat and are a headache for MS when changing or adding new stuff. Not to mention old DOS relics like drive letters. Or having to maintain two or more technologies at the same time.

Then there's Linux which is closer to the other end of the scale. Even the boated Linux distro's are far less boated than Windows. However, aany app that is older than the current stable release of Debian is a dice roll if it will work. Debian oldstable maybe... However, any app that is older than 5 years it very probably won't work. And for any app that is i.e. 20 year old, your only hope is to find an image of a supported distro that is also 20 year old and run it in a VM, and if you need dependencies, have luck finding online repository archives.

So guys, what is your stance on this?
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VNC has a reputation for being very slow and choppy in drawing it's graphics.

Why is that so?
How and why is RDP better at doing this?
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Anonymous Tyler Exposed FIles vault 7

We live in the Dawn of a New Golden Age, Where is INFORMATION will be traded free and complaints that seek to hinder the Flow of Information will NOT be tolerated. Principles as implementations of anonymity That are Today will march Forever golden Dawn, Taking with you as Humanity's Hopes. I am part of something Greater than I am part of the next phase of Humanity

Few remember this leak in which we gave the wikileaks 33 gb of files about the CIA / FBI / NSA / NSS / DIO / SGRS / DND / SCRS / BDN / GSD / DIA / MI /

nonymous Tyler Network: 33 GB of the JSTOR files
retroshare://channel?name=JSTOR%20Files:%20In%20memory%20of%20Aaron 20Swartz&id=d476279eb9ffa11906f8562052472f21&msgid=2e5666402f9fad7df2091f7dfca2fb99


Dear fellows...
We have grown fast along this world at rebellion.
With freedom in one hand and fistful of truths at the other.
Imagine we all evolve to make it exponential in order to a true planetary revolution.
This can be as real as you decide it to be.

We are all Anonymous.
You are anonymous.
We are all painting our world with colorful screams.
We are all making Titans, that make us dream and give us strength to leave the cave.

But imagine we all finally find the courage needed.
to become the real change we wish to see in the World.

Imagine we conquer Freedom by beginning to be Free.
Imagine we conquer Justice by beginning to do fair.
Imagine we conquer Truth by beginning to do and be True to ourselves.

Imagine we re invent and reverse Reality.
Imagine we finish corrupt banksters.
Imagine we finish corrupt governments.
Imagine we finish corrupt Corporations.
Imagine war is over.
Imagine no more of Fear.

In this system built upon lies...
Information equals Power.
Imagine we start a Fight Club.

Imagine we purchase an USB drive.
Imagine we take it to our workplaces and pretend we have to work late hours.
Imagine we accumulate all sort of evidences about illegal deeds.
Imagine Conscientious insiders worldwide begin to expose all lies,
inevitable and immortally, because no one can kill the messenger.
Imagine we code an extremely simple interface so that anyone can do it.

Imagine we all synchronize our clocks to act at the same Time,
on the Winter solstice, The 21st of December 2012 at eleven minutes past eleven local time.

On the 5th of November 2012 TYLER will be out of beta testing.
TYLER is a massively distributed and decentralized
Wikipedia style p2p cipher-space structure impregnable to censorship.
This is a call to action to all top hacktivists, coders, cryptoanarchists, cypherpunks,
Non-violent Civil Rights activists, free artists, Internet Censorship
and Freedom of Speech activists everywhere to collaborate
to jointly BRAINSTORM IDEAS to develop and improve TYLER,
with the lessons learned from Wikileaks, Freenet, TOR, G-N-U net, e-Mule,
BitTorrent, I2P, Tribler and many other projects.

From the 12th of December 2012, to the 21st of December 2012,
people all over the world upload the evidence of illegality corruption
and fraud They have gathered To TYLER.

Imagine We leak all.
And you know it, because Tyler knows it.

We are Anonymous.
We do not forgive.
We do not forget.
Expect us.
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alright lainons, I want to build myself something like the Enigmabox (https://en.enigmabox.net/) but for less than $300 with the possibility of adding antennas so i can mesh multiple together so me and my 2 neighbors can communicate without paying comcast. Can you help me make this happen?
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New thread, can't reply to the old one anymore:

>my monday to friday station while I'm away from home to study

the lighting looks much warmer in truth, my phone's camera isn't very accurate
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I'm kinda wondering about docker in a prod env right now

I want to give all my docker containers public IPv6 addresses and say fuarrrk ipv4 all together, and host a soykafton of services off a single debian machine (possibly a cluster in the future)

any docker enthusiasts wanna give me some reading materials/advice?
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what do lainons think of scuttlebot?
"Scuttlebot is an open source peer-to-peer log store used as a database, identity provider, and messaging system. It has:

>Global replication

>End-to-end encryption

Scuttlebot behaves just like a Kappa Architecture DB. In the background, it syncs with known peers. Peers do not have to be trusted, and can share logs and files on behalf of other peers, as each log is an unforgeable append-only message feed. This means Scuttlebots comprise a global gossip-protocol mesh without any host dependencies."

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Do any other lains suffer from RSI whether it be mild or severe?

I've been wearing this (http://multimedia.3m.com/mws/media/734399P/acetm-brand-deluxe-wrist-brace-adjustable-left-wrist.jpg) by day and this (http://multimedia.3m.com/mws/media/734418P/acetm-brand-night-wrist-sleep-support-adjustable.jpg) by night and it seems to be helping a lot, but I've heard that it isn't wise to wear a wrist brace all the time as it can actually cause the muscles to weaken and atrophy.

I tried only wearing the night brace at night or when resting, but after a few days of this I will inevitably start to get sharp pains in my right wrist again.

What is a lain to do? Sure, there are a bunch of recommendations out there, but none of it seems to be based on any empirical evidence or medical science. I wonder if anyone has had any actual success with a particular exercise or other strategy.

Don't tell me to get off the computer.
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Are smartwatches useful at all? Do these things have decent ganoo/loonix distributions? Are there any of these things with a physical keyboard instead of touchscreen bullsoykaf or a keypad? Normally I'm the kind of person who would avoid technology that is inspired by and is supplementary to autism rectangles, but I can't deny that I would really love an IRL COMP.
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Vpn until the end

VPN /thread
ISP's have always had use by the balls, now they are selling our balls up the river, unsurprisingly.
What vpn do you use? What others have you tried?
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The year of the Linux... thing is at hand.

Android is now the world's most popular OS.
>Figures concerning desktop, laptop, tablet, and mobile usage combined show that Android is now powering no less than 37.93 percent of the devices connected to the Internet, while Windows fell to the second place with 37.91 percent.

When will this fuarrrking nightmare end? I used to have hope for the future of computers and the internet, but now it's all turning to locked down, stripped down, dumbed down, mobile soykaf. I can't even do online banking on my computer anymore without getting a soykafty mobile styled website that pointlessly moved options that used to be on the same screen into various submenus and doesn't even allow me to correct the amount of money I want to transfer without deleting the whole field and reentering it. It feels like we're entering a bizarre inverted version of what it was like trying to use a mobile device on the web in the mid 2000s.
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I currently have 2 computers and one android phone (planning on buying another laptop or RPi). How can I modify the three to work on the processes running on my primary computer? For the sake of the argument, lets assume that I am creating a 200GiB encrypted container. How can the architectural difference between ARM and AMD-64 be handled while I am creating this container?
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Libre/Open hardware

How do you guys feel about FOSH?
Are there any open hardware projects you like, support or take part in?

I've really been interested in open hardware since the last CIA leak and will like to have a secure machine but I know it won't let me do much stuff, at least it will be an excuse to tinker with a retro computer.
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Agents of Dystopia

I've recently come to learn about entities and relationships in the tech world that scare me. Namely, tech incubators & innovation centres that, on the one hand, outwardly showcase technology that is seemingly wonderful, but potentially dystopian - either intentionally, or more likely, easily co-opted as a side benefit of the implementation of this technology.

I wanted to name a number of these entities, and seek Lain's collective intelligence on more, as well as soliciting Lain's take on where we go from here. I will also preface the meat of this post by saying that not only am I not extremely knowledgeable in the tech field, nor necessarily the philosophical implications (which I am trying to combat with a good diet of information, as well as science fiction), I'm also slightly drunk. Apologies for any disconnected dots, I feel compelled to share and ellicit discussion to get a more knowledgeable take on things.

The canvas for many of these entities is the intersection between Silicon Valley - as the primary driver of technical innovation, if not the manufacturer - and the United States government, as well as all connected parties on either end. These include funding from governmental entities such as the DOD (i.e, DARPA) and CIA; if anyone can suggest resources for further research in this area, I'd be much obliged.
To a lesser degree, this also includes the interplay of corporate entities, both within and outside of Silicon Valley. This alludes to the largely kleptocratic nature of the United States government, and the resultant legislation - or positions of power - that are awarded.

Here are a few entities that I have come across in my research that seem potentially problematic to me, outside of a more comprehensive picture on the other, more far-reaching dangers presented many of the parent entities of those listed below.

> In-Q-Tel

In-Q-Tel is a CIA funded company that provides capital to a number of companies. Most noteably, they provided the cash that helped Palantir get off the ground after some roadbumps. Here is a list of companies they have provided venture capital to:
This is problematic if viewed in light of the history of the CIA, their recently revealed (but generally speculated) uses of domestic individual's tech to subjugate their freedom & privacy, and their history of manipulation of the American media & populous for the ends of the state (look into "The Mighty Wurlitzer" for a history of this; The Devil's Chessboard and Ghost Wars are also good histories of the CIA; and Vault 7 goes without saying here.)

>Google ATAP:

There's very little information about what Google's Advanced Technology and Projects group is working on in full. Their website and general media presence is very friendly, although they do label themselves as a skunkworks agency - which is shorthand for a program based on Lockheed-Martin Advanced Development Programs entitity: a small, generally shadowy group of individuals working on radical innovation. What they list on their website seems benign, and radical, useful tech. However, some of their other projects have a vast potential to be easily weaponized against their users - ie Abacus, which is using biometrics data (including digital forensics, i.e., identifying you by how you by writing style) to identify a user, or the "authentication vitamin" RFID chip developed by (Google owned) Motorola. Google ATAP was headed by Regina Dugan, who was the DARPA director beforehand, and who left ATAP to start the project below.
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Linux - HDD to VDI

I'm not sure if I am posting in the right board, but it didn't feel quite right posting in /lam/, /sci/, or /tech/.

My objective is clear enough; I want to use a live Linux CD or flashdrive to boot a computer and visualize the computer's hard drive into a single .vdi file that Virtualbox can boot. How can this be done?

I have already seen this-
-but this is not exactly what I want though. I do not want to take a raw image and then convert it to a bootable .vdi. I want to directly convert the hard drive straight to a .vdi in one step.

Granted, its easy enough to just image the hard drive, but again, I want to make a .vdi virtual hard drive from a physical hard drive. I'm not against paid software that does this (I think vmware does, not sure) but I want to use GNU and freeware first if any exist that does what I want.
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Ubuntu goes back to gnome

This is worthy of it's own thread IMO.

Basically a big paradigm shift a Ubuntu is happening.

I only regret that the phones are dead. Personally I blame mir for that. Had they used wayland the phones might have just barely been alive.

On the other hand I also wish they switched to KDE instead. Or i3wm :P
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someone wanna help me setup a site on my server so people can browse matrix rooms?

regardless, https://Matrix.org general
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Searx is down!

From searx.me:

>The searx.me server is reaching its limits.

>Searx is no commercial enterprise, it lacks all the resources available to the services you normally visit, we don't have neither a marketing department, nor do we have datacenters, nor devops teams.

So, I thought about setting up our own (imageboard users, mainly endchan and lainchan) instance. If you guys help me find a openbsd server (VPS or dedicated) I could do it. The server would use obsd httpd(8), have no logs, have a hidden service and (maybe) a clearnet link (with TLS provided by Let's Encrypt). No javascript or cookies too, and no google crawling.
Anyone here interested? If you know any good host (outside of the US, Canada, China, Russia and UK) that has the last stable branch of openbsd running and where I can have root without limitation, at a good price (<$30) we could plan it.

ps. no, I don't want to use any other system. If you want to do it by yourself, go ahead.
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In lack of /tech/

Hi Lains
I've been using Android since it's inception more or less (my first smartphone was a HTC Magic 32a with Android 1.5) and I absolutely love it. Even when it was the less optimized worst fuarrrking piece of soykaf OS ever made.

Anyway, I bought a new phone a month ago and I decided that I'm totally fed up with Google's bullsoykaf, but I've been literally used the same Google based stuff during the last 8-9 years.

What are some good replacements apps to go full no gapps with my phone? It's rooted and I'm waiting for the weekend to flash a custom ROM but I'm really afraid of losing functionality by deciding not to flash gapps.
What I use the most is:
>maps (no idea what to replace it with)
>drive (was thinking of replacing it with Mega)
>Gmail (I need it because of my work, I guess I'll have to read the work emails from the mobile website)
Is there anything else I should consider? Is there somewhere i can read about this stuff or something?
And more importantly, are there any good replacements for maps and the localization services?

Also please acknowledge my clever animu reference
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Thinkpad General Thread

No /tech/ yet, but let's do it.

Thinkpad General thread, post em', discuss, ask questions, and find your new /comfy/ Thinkpad.

If you're looking for purchase advice, READ THE BUYERS GUIDE FIRST. Then post, stating budget and requirements (e.g. size and performance).

Don't buy anything OTHER THAN T, X AND W/P SERIES if you want the Real ThinkPad Experience™

Recommended models:
T420 - 14", normal size
X220 - 12.5", ultraportable

Used ThinkPad buyers guide:

xsauc buyers guide:
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Desktop thread

Old one is gone with /tech/.

You know what to do.