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No.35478

I've been trying out different kinds of Linux, and I've been having problems with some of the distros I've used (Currently using OpenSUSE 42.2 Tumbleweed, but when I install new software through YaST it doesn't show up for me to use). What has worked for me in the past is Ubuntu, however I'm wary of them due to the Amazon adware.

So what do you think of them Lainons? Is it okay, even with the Adware? Should I use them for now until I sort out my errors with OpenSUSE?

  No.35479

>>35478
If you want something that just works, has big repos, and don't care so much about having a 100% FOSS install it's perfectly fine. As for the adware, it's easy enough to uninstall, and personally I recommend swapping out Unity for something lighter anyway. The other *buntus don't have the adware problem, so maybe try one of them. I have Ubuntu MATE on my laptop atm and it's fine.

  No.35482

If you want an easy OS try Xubuntu.

  No.35488

I think it's pretty great and it works. Although I hate Unity, don't use that, seriously, don't. Ubuntu MATE is really nice, Xubuntu is great, Lubuntu is nice for old machines.. It's pretty solid.

  No.35490

Since so many people use ubuntu, especially the more default setups, there is a high chance that someone will scream about every little thing not working out of the box - and so unlike in 98% of distros, you can expect buttons to do what they say they would do. Smaller distros usually suffer in a sense, the software they bundle together doesn't integrate well with each other, they didn't polish and connect the little things. The openSUSE example you brought up is just like that; your apps are there and ready to use, someone just forgot to do this or that, and there isn't enough of a fuss about it to have it fixed. While an experienced linux user may easily work around such problems and find that certain small distros are minimalist and have just the right stuff, for a newbie these are often deal-breakers. I remember that when I was new, I didn't even know what to google, what's the name of the thing not working, and either I found nothing helpful or I had no idea how to apply it. The learning curve was so steep I slipped back down.
This is why newer users prefer "just werks" distros where they can learn the basics on a working system, not a CLI mess that fails to boot, or expects you to guess wpa_supplicant's soykaf just so you can go online and find a human-comprehensible guide to wpa_supplicant. Ubuntu is probably is one of the best distros for this purpose.

  No.35494

>>35478
Well, x/lu buntu are both options, they are essentially smaller and lighter versions of it.
Or, you could go with Debian, which is what ubuntu is forked off of.

  No.35510

>>35488
It seems like you prefer Xubuntu to over Mate. Any real reason for that? Because right now I'm on the fence between the two.

  No.35512

using regular ubuntu 16.04, even with unity, because i love it. i never understood why so many people soykaf on it. it's light (about 400mb ram), it's fast, it's clean and you can pretty much do everything using your keyboard only.

ubuntu itself is the best distro for starters and professionals who don't want to wast their time configuring and fixing their install because an update fuarrrked something up.

it just werks and lts makes me not wasting a thought about compatibility and security until 2020.

  No.35514

-buntu is mkay choice for beginners. Debian is better for all other purposes.

  No.35517

>>35514
except for being frustrating outdated all the time if you chose stable. ubuntu lts is superior on the long run.

  No.35528

>>35479
didnt unity remove the adware already?

  No.35555

>>35478
At least consider Ubuntu Mate if you want something that just werks out of the box

  No.35556

>>35528
>didnt unity remove the adware already?
it's gone with unity 8 but easily removable in unity 7.

  No.35558

>>35528
it's opt in and turned off by default so it's not bothering me anyl onger

  No.35560

>>35478
Ubuntu is okay for beginners and for ones that dont want to mess with linux stuff too much. If you want clean Ubuntu version you can try Trisquel GNU/Linux. It doesnt contain non-free software so some of your hardware may not work. I personally used Ubuntu>Fedora>Mint>Fedora>FreeBSD and now Gentoo.

  No.35561

>>35478
Ubuntu seems comfy and beginner friendly but sadly has never worked for me. It has always been buggy for me and some things just didn't work for no reason.

Arch on the other hand has a bad reputation of being unstable and difficut to use, but has been comfy and faithful to me so far. Also it is easier to maintain thanks to pacman.

Maybe its just me.

  No.35562

>>35561
its boated anon... fedora and every other distro worked faster than ubuntu for me...

  No.35563

>>35510
I just really like XFCE. I get weird screen tearing issues with Xubuntu on my X220 though.

  No.35564

>>35563
Try using another compositor, like compton

  No.35906

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there is literally nothing wrong with Ubuntu™
as u can see it works perfectly on my machine Present Day, Present Time! AHAHAHAHAHA!

  No.35907

>>35906
>tfw kalyx doesn't let you soykafpost

  No.35908

>>35517
Thisss so much

I use Gentoo right now, but if I had to go back to debian based, I would probably just do Ubuntu because good freaking luck finding software less than 3 years out of date on Debian

  No.35913

>>35562

It's just not what it used to be. Back when it was just slick debian with naked people wallpaper, it was nice and snappy.

I think Manjaro reminds me the most of Ubuntu's best days. A few ease-of-use tweaks, nice defaults, sitting on top of a solid core system.

  No.35918

>>35478
I like Mint. Nice, simple, cozy. I don't need some kind of hardcore hacker soykaf.

  No.35921

>>35908

Backports solves this issue (https://backports.debian.org/)

I run Debian on my work machine and Ubuntu on my personal laptop. I've used both for a few years now and I'm just waiting for the chance to install Debian on my personal laptop. Ubuntu is fine but Debian has always felt much more solid.

  No.36019

Ubuntu without Unity is pretty alright. I don't necessarily trust Canonical as much as I would Red Hat (as far as corporate Linux distros go) but it's quite helpful as a crutch for while one is still learning Linux. And as I cannot run Linux on my hardware without proprietary drivers, it saves me a good bit of hassle.

  No.36023

It's cozy with Gnome at it works as you would expect it to. Obviously it's non-free and not good for learning computer wizardry but if you just want a windows alternative for a non-gaming rig then ubuntu is great for that.

  No.36027

https://www.gnu.org/philosophy/ubuntu-spyware.html
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CP8CNp-vksc

The only thing positive that I can day about it is that it is an okay beginner distribution.

  No.36037

>>36027
Amazon soykafware is now optional and disabled by default.
RMS is an autistic child and this is coming from a ex-Parabola user who used to watch his videos.

  No.36039

>>35514
I prefer Ubuntu on a server to Debian. There are subtle differences, but they're there. The shell won't autocomplete things like `service foo restart` on Debian, but will on Ubuntu. I also notice that the `a2ensite` command and its counterpart require that you add the .conf part of the filename (it's optional on Ubuntu), and also won't autocomplete when you're not in the directory. This is based on Debian 7 and Ubuntu 14.04. As I said, little things, but they make life that slight bit more pleasant.

  No.36062

i'm very comfy with elementary os on my t510

  No.36076

I tried Ubuntu & Fedora with a few different DEs (GNOME, XFCE, and KDE) but I ended up going with Unity on Ubuntu, mainly because of issues trying to get HiDPI to work in the other DEs.

The problem is for a 12" 1080p screen, 100% scaling is too small and 200% scaling is too big. But many DEs like GNOME only do whole number values (1=100% 2=200%) with nothing in between, and using xrandr to set a "mid point" zoom level would cause screen tearing issues.

Unity just has a slider I can set to 1.25 and I'm golden.

  No.36113

It's easy to use and generally works out of the box. Great collection of software and hardware support.
I always recommend Xubuntu for beginners. I never liked Ubuntu when it comes with gnome2 neither now with unity.

  No.36115

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I'm what most would call an old man around here, with 25 years in IT.

I use RHEL/CentOS at work, the reason is support and inertia. At home i use Debian, because i like their social contract. If anyone uses Ubuntu, that's fine with me. I have used NetBSD for about 5 years, as well as Gentoo, Suse, OpenSuse and everything in between. They all did their job well.

I draw the line at Windows, and so should you.

  No.36116

>>36115
>i use Debian, because i like their social contract
And I won't take the bait.

  No.36118

>>36115
>wizened old-timer who's spent time with everything uses debian
THE MEMES WERE RIGHT

  No.36120

Ubuntu is alright, new unity is flat and that makes me sad, how ever.

  No.36137

>>36118
I work with a greybeard Unix admin who uses Gentoo at home. I had to stop myself from spouting memes when he told me.

It'll be sad when he retires.

  No.36201

Holy soykaf. Ubuntu's giving up on Unity 8 and Mir. They're moving to GnomeShell. This is huge.

http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2017/04/ubuntu-18-04-ship-gnome-desktop-not-unity

  No.36204

>>35510
I've used Xubuntu for a couple years as i got into Linux and have used Mate on an under powered laptop i had. I'd say i preferred Xubuntu more, but i am a little biased because i live in Australia, and "Mate" is an Australian colloquialism, so it kind of turned into a meme OS.

  No.36212

>>36204
Mate, same! I'm also using Xubuntu right now and loving it, don't think I'll change anytime soon unless I go full nerd and install Arch (On uni wifi... wonder how that will go)

  No.36214

>>36201
I'm moving to MacOS.

  No.36216

I am very happy that Lainchan backed off from the Unix elitism that was going on here a few months backs.

I personally think that Ubuntu is an alright system for an everyday user who wants to try something new and doesn't have the time or energy to spends countless hours trying to make the tiniest of things work properly. Why not use it?

I personally became rather lazy and started using Manjaro instead of Arch. It's just like Arch but works outside of the box (from my experience it actually works better than Fedora). Right now I have to use Windows a lot because of my work ;;. The EU simply accepts only Windows as the platform.

  No.36219

>>36216
From my experience the EU is rather Linux friendly, i.e. it gives you .odt's.

  No.36221

>>36214

Because Ubuntu's moving to Gnome? Unity and Gnome are nearly identical, and will probably be even closer once Ubuntu adds their tweaks.

Also, no more Mir is great news. It means less weirdness and incompatibility in the future.

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>>36116

You should take my bait: https://www.debian.org/social_contract.en.html

The question i always ask is "What if software with a social contract doesn't make sense and we build a better world for nothing?"

>>36118

Hehe, that makes me grin. I don't think Debian is better technically, you can do whatever you want with almost any system, but Debian is more than just some executeables.

Also i'm kind of invested, i maintain some packages in Debian, would be a bitch to move to some other package manager like rpm ;).