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No.35679

Hello Lainchan.
My dog knocked over my all-in-one this week, so my tech savvy friend convinced me to build my own PC. I don't want to shell out for windows 10 plus the optical drive that I need to load it, so I'll probably be running Linux, which I've never used before.
I'll eventually upgrade this navi with a more powerful CPU, GPU, RAM, SSD, optical drive, wireless card, ect, but right now I just need it run and browse the wired.

>https://pcpartpicker.com/list/vLW79W

Is this dog soykaf? Can I go even cheaper? I didn't want to skimp on the mobo or powersupply, and I like the case.
how do I into Linux?

  No.35680

>>35679
If you're going to upgrade anyway, then buy a chink SBC for the moment and build the PC when you actually have the money for.

  No.35681

>>35680
I have a laptop, so it's not like I can't do anything. I just want something I can invest in.

  No.35683

>>35681
What's the point of buying a dual core then?
Even if you simply want to spend 400 bucks on a PC, they could be spent a lot better, the list you posted is actually pretty dumb, and in 3 weeks AMD will be releasing new processors.

>how do I into Linux

For getting familiar with GNU/Linux distributions you may want to exercise things on a VM, so that you can do stuff while reading docs. If you really want to do something fun, then work with source based distros, such as Gentoo.

You may also want to read the rules (especially the number zero) if you haven't already

  No.35688

>>35679
> If your goal is to build a PC from scratch instead of buying pre-built
You're looking pretty sharp. You could shave off another 60ish dollars between the motherboard and case by switching to mATX but you would have to sacrifice upgrade-ability. Which it doesn't seem like you want to do. There's also the option of buying a previous gen mobo cpu combo off ebay or craigslist.
> If you want a machine to hop on the internet
Refurbished business machines are pretty good. You can grab one off newegg, craigslist, ebay, etc.

  No.35689

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>>35679
>I don't want to shell out for windows 10 plus the optical drive that I need to load it

I never once installed Windows from a DVD or optical disk.
(Seriously don't fall into the Linux meme if you want more than a browsing/office machine)
You can install Windows with a USB drive, which are like 5 bucks and unless your buying stuff from the 90's you have USB ports.

You can always pirate, nobody is going to pay for something they have a right to use.

If your not scared of buying used, get one of those Dell's with Sandy Bridge i5's (i5 2400), they are mostly running around from around $80-$120 and will outperform that dog.
The only thing they need is a new power supply, a HDD, and RAM and a GPU if you want to game.
It will pretty much be $350 with the upgrades (A EVGA 430w 80+ supply, 8 GB of RAM, 1TB HDD and a RX 470)

  No.35690

>>35689
>Seriously don't fall into the Linux meme if you want more than a browsing/office machine
this is a blatant lie. If anything it's the other way around, you can do so much more with GNU/linux than you can on windows

  No.35691

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>>35690
He doesn't appear to be that much tech savvy (and he never used Linux) so that would override the advantages of GNU/Linux, Ubuntu/Mint would work fine as a browsing machine like OP wanted and he wants a cheapo PC so no server hosting crazyness (i abused my old dual core PC way too hard with running a server 24/7) but if he wants to do music production/video editing, gaming or anything that requires proprietary software, you pretty much can't do that on Linux.

I said for him to get Windows because he mentions getting a GPU later, so he's probably a gamer as well, and we all know Windows' propietary libraries (DirectX, etc) are the ones games unfortunately use these days.

  No.35694

>>35691
>gaming
>you pretty much can't do that on Linux.
Linux restricts your choice of games, I'll give you that, but you can very much play on linux, I speak from first hand experience.
Steam runs natively on Ubuntu, and about a third of its library as well, I think.
For example :
Terraria, Civilization, Binding of Isaac, FTL, Rimworld, Cave Story, Super Meat Boy, Portal, Team Fortress, and so on and so on ...
You'll easily find more games than you could play in your life just with this.
Then you have wine that works or not depending of your luck, but all the 2hu games runs fine (that's the only windows-only games I cared to test).
I would expect all the AAA games have been thoroughly tested as well.
And then you have the games that are easier to find on linux than windows, such as nethack and its numerous forks or TuxRacer.

  No.35695

>all in one
You are beyond help.

Any ways, this machine has good upgrade path, the pentium for only $60 isn't bad, if you have $60 to throw away, but you can upgrade to a better CPU in the future. That CPU is capable of some geems, so upgrade GPU first.

If you really need windows just get a windows 7 ISO and get something to make it seem legitamte. If you go with Leenoox, rad man, just get Ubuntu or Mint. Both really brain dead easy for new dudes. Way easier than installing/setting up a new windows install, just different is all.

  No.35696

>>35695
Would also reccomend at least a 500W PSU if you want a decent GPU. Even if you calculated your power usage, over time it will grow.

  No.35698

Check it out OP

http://www.logicalincrements.com/

Ryzen looks P dank.

  No.35700

>>35694

The whole "third of its library" thing is a bit overblown. That includes a lot of shovelware and text adventure. If you're into playing all the latest AAA games it's going to be much more limiting than that.

I'd like to add to your list of fun ported linux games though: Crusader Kings 2, Europa Universalis 4, HOI4, Mad Max, Shadow of Mordor, XCom/XCom2, Tides of Numenera, Pillars of Eternity, Massive Chalice, Nuclear Throne.

> Wine


Wine's put out there a lot as something to help people make the transition, but I feel like it's misleading. Simple apps usually work with a doubleclick, but...

For someone who's not used to linux already, Wine is way too fiddly. Often you have to use several winetricks and maintain a couple different prefixes to get all your favorite games working. PlayOnLinux simplifies it some of the time, but it's breaky as hell. Asking a new user to deal with all that is way too much.

  No.35701

>>35700
>I'd like to add to your list of fun ported linux games though
Not a bad idea. Here's some more:

Open Spades, Battle Block Theater, Chivalry, Freedom planet, Distance, Rocket League, Starbound, Half life games, Minecraft.

Linux native gaymen obviously doesn't quite match windows, but there's some good soykaf.

  No.35745

I was mostly going to emulate until I install a gpu, and I'm pretty sure dolphin runs on linux.
>https://pcpartpicker.com/list/K2ThZ8
I switched to an ssd and upgraded the power supply. I got the PSU for $75, cheaper then what it's listed as.