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No.1804

Once we start having lucid dreams, we have to learn how to do some things.
>stay lucid
>add/remove/change things and people
>appear in any location you want
>wake up only when you want to
And more.
ITT: tips, questions and experiences about these in-dream skills.

  No.1805

Last night I dreamed that I was in a mansion that was similar to my house, became lucid and tried to find something to do. It was a silent and dim-lighted room, and there was a girl's backpack in a couch. Called out loud to see if someone was in the house, tried to cast the girl, tried with that technique where you imagine someone's voice behind you so when you turn around your brain autocompletes the person in that place but it didn't work. I couldn't do anything so I spilled my soykaf started kicking the backpack around the room.
A similar thing happened the night before, it was pretty frustrating.

>stay lucid

It's a matter of concentration. Remember that your mind is the CPU processing what you feel and your subconscious is like the GPU.
>add/remove/change things and people
>appear in any location you want
I'm not good at these.
>wake up only when you want to
I try to avoid closing my eyes or going to dark areas in dreams, doing that makes me open my eyes in waking life and wake up.

  No.1811

Dream skills work very similar to the effects in Yume Nikki - you can trigger them by invoking them, basically having the effect in your mind and thinking "GO!" Imagine the idea of an A button in your mind, and imagine hitting that button, lol.

I have a few rituals that I do when I'm exploring - If I run into something scary, I pull a blanket out of hammerspace and hide behind it- it makes me invisible! Banishing rituals help, too.
>>1805
If you want to travel somewhere, then take the symbolic representation of the location you want to go/person you want to see, and hold that image in front of you in your mind. Pound that A button and keep focused on the image and you'll find yourself there, your surroundings will fill themselves in.

  No.1819

>>1804
>stay lucid
Staying lucid is mostly presence of mind. If you lose focus of where you are and what you're doing it's easy for your mind to just fall back into the dream.

>add/remove/change things and people

Mostly there's just a knack to it. You'll pick it up. It's like learning to control your throat muscles or something. The subconscious stuff to handle it is already there and working you just need to tap into it. Just practice and be patient. It can feel like you're getting nowhere but eventually it will click.

>appear in any location you want

Teleportation in dreams is actually incredibly common and most of the travel required for dreams to make sense is just glossed over, however it can cause some problems due to the fact that we're not at all used to the idea of teleporting. You can get round this by just using incredibly fast and convenient transport but I think as you spend more time lucid stuff like teleporting just starts to seem more plausible to you.

There's a lot of little tricks like this that can help in one way or another and I do recommend using them, but it's important to remember that they're just magic feathers. Your subconscious doesn't really need imaginary super cars or whatever in order to understand what you want. With that in mind coming up with your own techniques is a good idea. Your subconscious will have an easier time working with them because in a way it had a hand in making them.

>wake up only when you want to

A lot of people wake up right after becoming lucid. It's something that fades as becoming lucid becomes more commonplace for you. The root problem is becoming disconnected with the dream. The person notices they're lucid and starts thinking about that instead of the dream itself. If you notice you're waking up you need to ground yourself back in the dream. Say something to the people around you or do something or otherwise focus back on it.

>>1805
>it was pretty frustrating.
If you find yourself getting frustrated you must always stop and calm yourself (easier said than done in dreams, it's easy to wander off). Your success or failure is decided entirely by your subconscious and when you're frustrated at not being able to do something it will start to expect you to fail. Just relax and let your frustrations go.

  No.1823

I haven't practiced these, but one skill I have learned is
>complete simulation of a surreal environment or situation
I found it's an interesting way to explore thought patterns

  No.1825

>stay lucid
I'm okay at this, mostly because my lucidity is so casual. I've been aware of my dreaming since I was a kid, so it's nothing special to me. Thus I'm not sure if I'm 'staying lucid' in any given dream

>add/remove/change things and people

I've done this - managed to manifest a gun in my hand when some guy was approaching me trying to hurt me
But trying to fire the gun was too cognitive and I Woke up...

>appear in any location you want

Nope, but this is something I really wanna do

>wake up only when you want to

This I've had for many years. If I close my eyes in my dream, I eventually snap back into reality

  No.1928

Do you have some tips how to start having lucid dreams in the first place? I've managed to do it several times, but I couldn't find out how to induce it. It just sort of happened

  No.1931

>>1928
Start a dream journal and look for patterns in your dreams, read about reality checks for when you think you're dreaming.
Also you can read Laberge's book, exploring the world of lucid dreaming.

  No.1932

Has anyone here ever managed to - or ever heard of someone being able to - manipulate your perception of time?

I personally have yet to ever get serious about trying to lucid dream, but dreams already are interesting in how we perceive time in them. It at once seems to both go by faster or slower depending on how you look at it, but in a lucid dream I imagine there is far less gaps between things in a dream that would make it seem like time had went by faster relative to how time was being perceived overall in the dream... if that makes sense.

So I guess tied into my question is how you perceive time in a lucid dream to begin with, and then secondarily whether it is possible to control the flow of time at all. I feel like it probably isn't possible to do that, but the idea is extremely intriguing to me. I wonder if in theory one could have such control over their dreams that they could make it seem as though they've lived an entire lifetime in the span of eight hours.

  No.1938

>>1932
I really think it's possible. Have you ever been on a train and zone out looking out the window and thinking about whatever for what feels like several minutes and then the train arrives to a station that was two minutes away?
I sound like a new age feng shui shaz but it might be possible to mix that experience with lucid dreaming.
You could try in-dream meditation or something like that, or even better start reading about neuroscience and experiment with non-bullsoyk concepts about our perception of time.

There's this experiment where they measured a dreamer's eye movements (we move our eyes IRL when we do it in dreams) and when he went lucid he tried to measure time and move his eyes up-down every one dream second and they were more or less the same as the intervals they measured on his closed eyes IRL, one second.
Source: Laberge's book.

> if that makes sense.

Yes, I have these time gaps in normal dreams or when I lose lucidity for a moment.

  No.3390

I'm certain dreaming is all in the mind and my lucid experiments do everything to reinforce that. If I expect dream characters to be off-putting to my investigation, they are. If not, they seem to say what I believe or at least can agree with. If I do a sexual act aggressively, the dream returns with aggression, and vice versa. How I anticipate the end result of things... such as combat, time manipulation (as in, manipulating or stopping the speed of movement in dreams), materialization, PoV, and so on... dictate the success of any given action.

I've also have had less fun trying to dictate my dreamscape than I have just going with the flow. Bringing a creative state consciously and directly is incredibly tough. It's far better to set a catalyst and let the lucidity fade. Examples: listen to an artist or genre you really like and quickly you'll hear some real amazing soykaf; play an instrument or 'mix' in some trippy visuals with music like you'd find on Off The Air (one time I dream-dj'd some insane mix of Simpsonwave, Pigmhall, and fractal art while drum-machining some warpy as fuarrrk acid techno... my favorite kind of dream by far); browse video games on a console and play one (playing Dark Souls in a dream is actually fuarrrking awesome); watch a show you really like; etc. A lot of times you'll just become a character in video games or shows, which is more often than not even better.

But if you want to interact with the dreamworld, and likely in the case the dream characters, you have to be (not just try to be) genuine, and approach them as real people. They are you, and want to be respected just as you do. Maybe I haven't tried just having conversations much in my dreams because I am a very introverted person, but the few times I have it stuck with me after awakening and was at least insightful, if not profound.

  No.3391

>>1932
>make it seem as though they've lived an entire lifetime in the span of eight hours
My theory is that this is impossible to do on any significant span while lucid, since it is a storytelling trick dreams sometimes do that wouldn't hold up to lucid awareness. Any amount of time over 5 minutes, 10 max, seems to either end in losing lucidity or waking up. Then again I cannot wrap my mind around how this could be done in a lucid state.

  No.3393

i realized i only have lucid dreams when i don't masturbate for a few days prior. they're not even sexual in nature (unless i want them to be) so i guess fapping drains my mana or something.

i only use dream journal for better recall. also, if you wake up abruptly i suggest not relying on 'seeing' things in your lucid dreams. focusing on physical sensations, touching surfaces, sense of motion, hearing sounds, it all helps ground you in that reality. trying to see details and visualize too many things just strains you.

  No.3394

I somehow taught myself how to do this accidentally as just a child. I would go to sleep focusing mentally on a single object. And when I saw that object in the dream, I knew I was dreaming. I'd always think of something I didn't have something that wasn't in my real life.

It came naturally and I'd turn around and be in full control from there. I'd be able to choose location, what I was doing. I was obsessed with comic books at the time, so I had a ton, ton, ton of dreams where I would fight bad guys. It was always the knowing I was in a dream that triggered it.

As soon as I knew I was in a dream I'd be in that drivers chair and I'd be able to control it. And now years and years later? I can only slip into it occasionally and normally by accident. But when I do the controls really complete. I'm not sure I'll ever be able to get full control of it again.

Its an insane sensation. The feeling of control over your imagination quite directly. Its very meditative. And it seems like my minds a bit more wracked with thoughts now, less simple. Somehow as a child the whole thing came so easy. And I had no clue what the fuarrrking soykaf was till I was a teenager.

I'm not sure why it was so much easier when I didn't understand it. I think I over think it now. But the natural flow to getting there certainly isn't there for me anymore.

  No.3406

I kept a dream journal at some point, but it was really sloppy. I've always had really vivid dreams, some recurring and some that were sort of like sequels to previous ones, usually years apart.

I don't really know what it means to be lucid, but I can
>tell myself to wake up whenever I want
>rewind time and redo something once I've realized that it's a dream
>sort of create alternative versions of places I know, though I don't do this consciously; they're just there

Whenever I die in a dream, it just keeps going. Once I had a dream about a cataclysmic event where the Earth sort of crumbled down. The core of the planet was a weird orb that was half the Sun and half the Moon and it was alive. All living beings had their "life" just kind of sucked out of them, including me. The feeling is hard to describe. It was like a wave washing over my body, pulling me down, draining me of everything. After that, there was only a blue-ish empty space with electric currents running all over the place. I sensed everyone's consciousness there, in the currents. Then the world just sort of rebooted. It was really freaky.

  No.3413

My problem is that i can realise im in a dream, but pretty much as soon as i become lucid i wake up. Its like my brain freaks out and forces me to open my eyes. How can i stop this?